Allen vs Farrow

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I've just binged the lot although episode 1 appeared to be missing? Anyone else watched this?

I'm on episode 3 , so far I feel sorry for Dylan, I can't believe Mia was happy for Woody to go to a therapist surely the police would of been involved straight away. Not allow him to keep having contact let alone stay in a relationship with him, Very strange set up.

Yeah the whole set up was strange. I don't know what to make of it all.

Where did you watch this please?!

Sky Atlantic/Now TV.

The fact that they're still together aside, as a grown man, he knew Soon-Yi as the 10 year old daughter of his partner. It's all shades of wrong!

I've just read an interview Soon-Yi gave when the #metoo movement kicked off two years ago (in defence of Woody) and she doesn't come across as a nice person at all, IMO.

Yes there's always three sides to every story. But the majority (only Soon-Yi and Moses didn't) said she was a great mum and the children died through other causes did they not? A heart condition and two suicides? I don't know about the child rapists.

Thank you

Watched all of it and ended up with more questions than answers to be honest, some things just didn’t make sense. Feel bad saying that as would like to just believe Dylan with no questions but the day it was supposed to happen just doesn’t quite make sense. Why would Mia not be there if she had concerns about Woody, why did the babysitter not do anything when she saw Woody with his head in Dylan’s lap and when Dylan went missing for 20 minutes no one seemed overly frantic. Also was there no medical evidence of anything happening, although I’m not sure of the extent of the alleged abuse that day.

This is interesting. The train set stuff alone demolishes the Farrow story
ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2021/02/28/farrow-v-farrow-the-case-of-the-magical-disappearing-electric-toy-train/

Jesus, that link... some people are desperate to believe that a man who had sex with and eventually married his stepdaughter couldn’t possibly have abused one of his adopted daughters

I believe her.

Not watched it yet but I've been following the story for years. I believe Dylan thinks it all happened but she's been brainwashed by Mia 'Mother Earth' Farrow - interesting take on this by one of Farrow's other children, Moses, who was raised with Dylan in the same house - mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

Not mentioned on this thread yet but for the record Allen was investigated twice and investigators could find no credible evidence in favour of MF.

@Usernamenotavailabletryanother

Jesus, that link... some people are desperate to believe that a man who had sex with and eventually married his stepdaughter couldn’t possibly have abused one of his adopted daughters

I believe her.

She wasn’t “his stepdaughter”. How much have you looked into this? Jesus, some people are desperate to believe that only men can be devious and manipulative. right back at you!

@GiantKitten didn’t realise you wrote the link- the was for the author of the piece.

I don’t think there’s much doubt that Woody Allen was Mia Farrow’s partner when Soon-Yi was around ten years old. Why on earth would calling her his step daughter cause such angst? Because they weren’t married? Ok then

I offered no judgement on Mia Farrow’s parenting skills or how ‘devious’ she is. She could be a complete psychopath for all I know- I still believe Dylan.

When the relationship with Soon-Yi came out I found it uncomfortable/shocking but they have been together a long time now so I guess the shock value has softened over time. But she was a fully formed adult so a relationship with her wouldn’t automatically prove that he was a pedophile. I’m not saying that I don’t believe Dylan, just that I have quite a few questions and something seems off.

I think it’s very clearly game, set and match to The Farrows. At last.

As for Soon-Yi, the court transcript makes it clear she was still at school when she began having sex with WA. The household staff who had let her into his apartment, changed the sheets and emptied condoms from the bin testified to that.

So, a school child, and groomed even before that.

The first 7 or so years of her life, before Mia Farrow & André Previn adopted her were clearly deeply neglected and frankly horrific.

She was easy prey and the grooming obviously stuck long term. The fact that Soon-Yi now speaks up for him and is still with him, doesn’t prove that the relationship started healthily. By definition it didn’t. She was a legal minor when the physical liaison started, 21 when it was discovered and she escaped the inevitable fallout by going with him. He was immensely wealthy and influential, especially in their city of NYC, he was her mother’s partner since she was eight and remained so throughout their long secret liaison until the discovery. What healthy relationship started like that? How can a young woman meaningfully consent to that?

I've watched the whole thing.
It isn't Allen v Farrow, is it? That's very much his narrative. It's Woody v Dylan and she was 7.
I probably admired Ronan the most. He admitted that he changed his tune from either implicitly or explicitly telling her to shut up, to listening to her.
Ironically since he is Allen's child, he is an articulate advocate.
Nobody is covered in glory but I was interested in the supporting cast. Lawyers and actors in one side. Friends, sisters and babysitters on the other.

@7to25

I've watched the whole thing. It isn't Allen v Farrow, is it? That's very much his narrative. It's Woody v Dylan and she was 7. I probably admired Ronan the most. He admitted that he changed his tune from either implicitly or explicitly telling her to shut up, to listening to her. Ironically since he is Allen's child, he is an articulate advocate. Nobody is covered in glory but I was interested in the supporting cast. Lawyers and actors in one side. Friends, sisters and babysitters on the other.

I think he's the absolute spit of Frank Sinatra.

I agree, he is supercee.

@7to25

I've watched the whole thing. It isn't Allen v Farrow, is it? That's very much his narrative. It's Woody v Dylan and she was 7. I probably admired Ronan the most. He admitted that he changed his tune from either implicitly or explicitly telling her to shut up, to listening to her. Ironically since he is Allen's child, he is an articulate advocate. Nobody is covered in glory but I was interested in the supporting cast. Lawyers and actors in one side. Friends, sisters and babysitters on the other.

Yes very true. (Except Dylan is a Farrow too, maybe they named it that way for the useful ambiguity?)

Also yes to what you say about the supporting cast. The social workers in NYC deserve special mention. I really felt for them.

@supercee yes there was always gossip and he does look very similar to a young Sinatra

The title refers to woody Allen against all the farrows. Not just Dylan but it's definitely been weighted previous to this towards Allen as he is so 'respected' and 'brilliant'. Of course clever well liked people can be abusers. Clever people would be good at covering up.

No matter what the truth is ( and I believe Dylan though am most angry at Mia for her original attitude as I perceive it from articles) Allen's relationship with his former 'step' daughter was wrong. I believe he groomed her.

I'm glad Dylan feels she's finally being heard.
I find it quite shocking the number of people rushing to defend Woody. He was definitely a father figure to Soon-Yi and her siblings. He then groomed her and had sex with her whilst she was still at school. Saying 'he didn't formally adopt Soon-Yi' is a poor excuse. It does make me wonder how much abuse they ignore in RL or if it's just rich, white male film-makers whose grooming behaviour they defend.
Woody's PR team did a very good job of taking a pattern of behaviour of inappropriateness with young girls and saying 'yes, he did have pornographic images of Soon-Yi - yes, his own staff said he had sex with her whilst she was still at school - but that's not a pattern - that's a cause' ... it just shows how little Hollywood and NYC value women and girls. Nobody's 'art' is worth it.

He has clearly fiddled the dates too, to make it sound as though she was in college before the liaison began. It was a full throttled media spin attempt and it succeeded in blurring the facts.