Allen vs Farrow

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I've just binged the lot although episode 1 appeared to be missing? Anyone else watched this?

[quote southeastdweller]Mia 'I deplore child abuse except when I don't' Farrow was never a great actress and her acting is obvious in this crappy documentary. Interesting read here - nypost.com/2021/02/22/put-me-on-team-woody-mia-farrow-is-full-of-it/[/quote]
Peyser, the author of that "article", is a vile piece of work, so I would put absolutely zero store in her views. Here are some of her highlights:

In October 2001, Peyser's employer, New York Post owner Rupert Murdoch, offered a rare personal apology over Peyser's reference to CNN correspondent Christiane Amanpour in a September 21 column as a "CNN war slut".

observer.com/2001/11/murdoch-apologizes-to-amanpour-the-concert-for-new-yorks-biggest-star-attack-of-the-virtual-ads/

In May 2012, The Observer and New York magazine noted that in eight years she has celebrated the possibility of nine different people getting raped in jail.

observer.com/2012/05/andrea-peysers-top-10-prison-rape-fantasies/

In December 2013, Peyser was criticized for her commentary on the state funeral of Nelson Mandela. In her column, Peyser wrote that President Obama behaved like a "hormone-ravaged frat boy on a road trip to a strip bar". She also descibed the Danish PM as "a "Danish hellcat" who "hiked up her skirt to expose long Scandinavian legs covered by nothing more substantial than sheer black stockings".

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-25355881

Rather coincidental that he had therapy due to his relationship with one young adopted child and then the next minute he is in a relationship with his other ‘barely legal (if legal when it started) one. He’s as guilty as sin. As Judge Judy would say....if it quacks like a duck...it’s a duck.

Allen agreed to see a psychiatrist because Farrow insisted that he was too focussed on Dylan more than the other children. I'm not aware that the psychiatrist found anything wrong in his attitude towards Dylan.

Farrow suspected him of inappropriate behaviour before the 'woman scorned' stuff.

Michael Jackson was accused numerous times of acting inappropriately but instead of distancing himself from children he continued to have sleep overs. Why does an innocent person continue to act in that way? It's a compulsion.

People need to recognise the pattern of grooming.

There is a suggestion that 6 year old children can't remember and that is simply not true. It is Dylan's body language in those videos that speak volumes. And she did not go along with everything Farrow asked her. She was very credible to me.

@AppleJane

Allen agreed to see a psychiatrist because Farrow insisted that he was too focussed on Dylan more than the other children. I'm not aware that the psychiatrist found anything wrong in his attitude towards Dylan.

Farrow suspected him of inappropriate behaviour before the 'woman scorned' stuff.

Michael Jackson was accused numerous times of acting inappropriately but instead of distancing himself from children he continued to have sleep overs. Why does an innocent person continue to act in that way? It's a compulsion.

People need to recognise the pattern of grooming.

There is a suggestion that 6 year old children can't remember and that is simply not true. It is Dylan's body language in those videos that speak volumes. And she did not go along with everything Farrow asked her. She was very credible to me.

I’ve watched some of the videos and it all feels very unnatural to me - rehearsed. Indeed a psychology team who met with Dylan concluded she may have been coached (report linked above). Do you only believe experts when it suits you?

Mariel Hemmingway was 16 when they made Manhattan. Creepy doesn't even begin to describe it.

I suppose his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein was totally innocent too?

People need to recognise the pattern of grooming

Yes they do, and they need not to be mislead about what that looks like, or to confuse it with other behaviours. Michael Jackson shouldn't be brought into this, the situation was totally different.

Rather coincidental that he had therapy due to his relationship with one young adopted child and then the next minute he is in a relationship with his other ‘barely legal (if legal when it started) one. He’s as guilty as sin. As Judge Judy would say....if it quacks like a duck...it’s a duck.

But it only quacks if you've already decided he's 'guilty as sin'. If you look at the facts it doesn't quack. And Farrow definitely does quack.

Also, Soon-Yi was not his adopted child.

Farrow must have had a crystal ball or a time machine then. You can't change the timeline.

suppose his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein was totally innocent too?

I'm sure someone will be along soon to explain that one away too. These people are manipulative, convincing, charming, devious. They sow seeds of doubt. But patterns are still patterns.

I’ve changed my mind so many times over this. I think it’s also a possibility that something did happen and Mia also coached her. It’s extremely sad to see how damaged she seems as an adult though. I’m not sure if Mia’s fury has helped her.

I think Woody is a creep and the whole Soon-Yi shows that, it was very inappropriate. But also Soon-Yi was also very damaged and possibly looking for a father figure relationship. I don’t think Mia should have been adopting so many children who obviously had complex needs and needed a lot of attention.

Farrow must have had a crystal ball or a time machine then. You can't change the timeline.

There's no need to change the timeline - Farrow felt his focus on Dylan was too intense and excluded the other children, she didn't make claims about sexual abuse and the psychologist didn't find any signs that Allen had sexual intentions towards Dylan.

Not defending Woody Allen at all but Mia is a known serial child abuser who's been accused of causing the deaths of two of her children, and who has publicly supported two convicted child rapists.
err, what?
She supports Polanski, I think? Don't know who the other one is.

@IntermittentParps

Not defending Woody Allen at all but Mia is a known serial child abuser who's been accused of causing the deaths of two of her children, and who has publicly supported two convicted child rapists. err, what? She supports Polanski, I think? Don't know who the other one is.

Her brother.

Oh really?! Thanks, didn't know that.

Her brother I think? I thought I saw that upthread.

Im still baffled how quickly they seem to have adopted their children not just the ones from the US. Woody then went on to adopt two with his new wife. A year appart. They are now 21 I wonder how it was explained to them?

I wonder what his will is like?

@Sidewalksue

I’ve changed my mind so many times over this. I think it’s also a possibility that something did happen and Mia also coached her. It’s extremely sad to see how damaged she seems as an adult though. I’m not sure if Mia’s fury has helped her.

I think Woody is a creep and the whole Soon-Yi shows that, it was very inappropriate. But also Soon-Yi was also very damaged and possibly looking for a father figure relationship. I don’t think Mia should have been adopting so many children who obviously had complex needs and needed a lot of attention.

I'm more or less the same place Sidewalk except that I don't believe anything happened - I think its just too far-fetched story and Moses as well as an employee have said that the layout of the house wasn't the way Dylan described and there wasn't any trainset.

I was so disappointed in Allen about the Soon-Yi affair, I really loved his films and his comedy writing, I assumed he was a decent person because I liked his work but of course we all know the two things don't always match up. Worst of all to me is that I've never heard him say one word of regret about the pain he caused by getting in that relationship - the pain and humiliation inflicted on Farrow must have been terrible.

But that still doesn't make him a paedophile

Yes exactly. I have no sympathy for Woody Allen, but the media seems to have ignored or minimised the death and abuses of Mia's children - (particularly the Asian American children). Three of her children died and two of them committed suicide. Some children were apparently golden children like Ronin and others' were scapegoated, although Ronan apparently had his legs medically broken and reset to make him taller, so he didn't escape abuse as such. Maybe Mia needs to be investigated to get a bigger picture of the dynamics in that family.

@ImpatiensI I think if he is innocent then basically Mia is very very guilty in ruining Dylan’s life.

I’m stunned she was allowed to adopt so many high needs children. Obviously money trumps everything though. I don’t think she came across well in that documentary anyway.

Yes that's the very terrible thing @Sidewalksue - if Allen is innocent, then Farrow is guilty of shocking abuse herself with Dylan. and of course shocking cruelty with her other children if we believe Moses and Soon-Yi. It looks as though Dylan has been able to make a life for herself but she has to live with those horrible memories and feelings.

I think its just too far-fetched story and Moses as well as an employee have said that the layout of the house wasn't the way Dylan described and there wasn't any trainset

I don't think that is right about the trainset - one of the documents from the police investigation showed the layout of the attic which noted that there was a trainset.

I think the truth will all come out when Allen dies.

"As Allen v. Farrow reveals in its finale, Connecticut State Police visited the home immediately after learning of the allegation and composed a detailed diagram of the attic space. This diagram is included in the case files and shown in the docuseries, and it contains a sketch of a circular train track going around the attic space."

“They’ve said there was no train set in the attic and have repeated it ad nauseam,” says Amy Herdy, an investigative journalist and the chief researcher for Allen v. Farrow. “There’s been lots of allegations about the attic and the crawl space. This wasn’t such a tight space that no one could fit in there, because in the Connecticut State Police records it’s reflected that the detective followed Dylan into the crawl space, where Dylan showed them exactly where she says the abuse had happened. And they recorded a diagram of the scene, and what elements were present in the scene, and one of the things they noticed was a toy train track that was assembled there.”

That revelation has caused some of Allen’s most vocal defenders, including Robert B. Weide and The Guardian’s Hadley Freeman, to move the goalposts—now suggesting that the attic train set was “a chunky plastic train the children would sit on and ride” (a claim also echoed by Moses)"

www.thedailybeast.com/allen-v-farrow-filmmakers-on-moses-farrow-and-the-finales-train-set-reveal

That's really interesting @pinkearedcow!

I think the truth will all come out when Allen dies

You mean that he's guilty? How will it come out though? What will come out that isn't already out?

[quote pinkearedcow]"As Allen v. Farrow reveals in its finale, Connecticut State Police visited the home immediately after learning of the allegation and composed a detailed diagram of the attic space. This diagram is included in the case files and shown in the docuseries, and it contains a sketch of a circular train track going around the attic space."

“They’ve said there was no train set in the attic and have repeated it ad nauseam,” says Amy Herdy, an investigative journalist and the chief researcher for Allen v. Farrow. “There’s been lots of allegations about the attic and the crawl space. This wasn’t such a tight space that no one could fit in there, because in the Connecticut State Police records it’s reflected that the detective followed Dylan into the crawl space, where Dylan showed them exactly where she says the abuse had happened. And they recorded a diagram of the scene, and what elements were present in the scene, and one of the things they noticed was a toy train track that was assembled there.”

That revelation has caused some of Allen’s most vocal defenders, including Robert B. Weide and The Guardian’s Hadley Freeman, to move the goalposts—now suggesting that the attic train set was “a chunky plastic train the children would sit on and ride” (a claim also echoed by Moses)"

www.thedailybeast.com/allen-v-farrow-filmmakers-on-moses-farrow-and-the-finales-train-set-reveal[/quote]
But one of the nanny's for the Farrow/Previn kids, Kristi Groteke, testifed about a large toy train. She also suggested it was only ever stored in the attic:

ronanfarrowletter.wordpress.com/2021/02/28/farrow-v-farrow-the-case-of-the-magical-disappearing-electric-toy-train/

Funnily enough, she's not one of the interviewee's for this crappy documentary.

Not all the children, the ones that hadn’t tragically died were on it either. I think it was just Fletcher from her first three children with Andre Previn.

Im still thinking about Ronan having his legs stretched, is that a thing? How small was he?

I'm still hoping that Ghislaine Maxwell will sing like a canary, but I doubt it.