Allen vs Farrow

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I've just binged the lot although episode 1 appeared to be missing? Anyone else watched this?

@EachandEveryone

That he hasnt got a huge back catalogue of movies about being irresistible to 17/18 year olds as you imply? Age gaps yes but Manhatten is the only one off the top of my head that is specifically about a teen and a much older bloke. And the strange thing about that is that no one batted an eyelid at the time. It was highly acclaimed.

Perhaps watch the documentary that clearly highlights all the original drafts of the screenplays and short stories with increasingly younger overtly sexually deceived female characters?

And no-one thought at the time that 'Manhattan' was made that its writer and had a more than unhealthy interest in young girls, including his wife's children and his own adopted daughter.

Times have changed and frankly the ideology of 'Manhattan' is more than a little 'yuck' to the modern ear.

Plus it's star, Maribel Hemingway claims the Allen tried to seduce her when she turned 18. I suppose she is lying too?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/03/woody-allen-mariel-hemingway-manhattan/amp

I was just answering the poster that said he had a huge back log of films with abnormal age gaps. Hes got ten times as many that arent about teenagers and old men. They are out there and available some are even classics.

I dont think i could watch Manhatten now and enjoy it as much as I did thirty years ago when I loved it and was in the ypunger womans age group. Yes, times have changed.

I havent seen the last part yet will watch it tonight. So far I havent seen anything I didnt know.

I think at the time people were still in awe of Allen's 'superior' intellect but one film critic did speak against it Pauline kale being one
In husbands and wives Juliette Lewis was not yet 20 when she played a minor love interest against Allen

Imagine if the British police asked a unit in the NHS to speak with an abuse victim and compile a report. Then imagine this unit interrogate the child 9 times. If she tells her version of events exactly the same way each time she is accused of being coached. If any tiny detail changes she is a liar.

Then imagine a damning report is written, all interview notes destroyed and the NHS then hand the file to Mr Celebrity and not back to the police. Mr Celebrity then conducts a press conference on the hospital steps.

Add in further any whistleblowers losing their jobs. I would like to think we would be outraged and not accept this ridiculous report as proof of innocence.

It wouldnt happen here though would it?

Ive just finished watching it. Sadly, I ended up wondering what it would be like to live in Mia Farrows country house and wondered if it was tge same house all along? It was quite long winded wasnt it?

I'm assuming you're being sarcastic when you say it wouldn't happen here?

It has happened here many times. Big similarities with Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris in terms of being celebrities so beloved or with such institutional power that they got away with their crimes in plain sight.

I saw the final episode yesterday. I'm so glad Dylan has a lovely family and maintains a good relationship ship with her mother. She has been through such a lot in her life, she deserves to be happy and settled.

I was horrified again by the closing of celebrity ranks around Allen. Some of those 'stars' I won't be able to watch anymore - Diane Keaton especially.

Absolutely @ChequerBoard and sadly I think we've only just scratched the surface. I firmly believe some will never get found out. And I can't stand all this 'separate the art from the artist' nonsense.

Lumping Woody Allen with Rolf Harris and Jimmy Saville is completely wrong.

I was cheering for Diane Keaton when she publicly supported him, her and Scarlett Johansson.

Do you think Michael Jackson and OJ Simpson are innocent too?

I know 7 people IRL who watched this documentary and all believe Dylan. Don't think you'll convince them otherwise.

I believe Dylan. Her life would not have been the way it was if she had just told a lie as a child. This has haunted her.

I beleive her mother shpuldve been more proactive in the beginning. She came accross as very airy fairy.

@EachandEveryone

I beleive her mother shpuldve been more proactive in the beginning. She came accross as very airy fairy.

Yes let's blame the woman. I believe Dylan.

@EachandEveryone

I beleive her mother shpuldve been more proactive in the beginning. She came accross as very airy fairy.

Unbelievable comment!

Child is abused by a predatory man, must be the mother's fault, no doubt...

Let's apportion blame firmly where it belongs please - with Allen, the perpetrator of the abuse against his own adopted daughter.

@EachandEveryone

I beleive her mother shpuldve been more proactive in the beginning. She came accross as very airy fairy.

She did seem gentle and hippyish but that didn’t make her culpable. If anything, I thought the documentary showed very clearly how grooming works incrementally, breaking boundaries one at a time, normalising unusual behaviour, boiling a frog, as it were.

Mia did push back at key points, starting with therapeutic intervention, but at the same time he was bamboozling her and being incredibly manipulative. That’s how abuse works.

If we met abusive men and they announced their true selves and their intentions to us in the early dates, they would never secure access to victims. So they manipulate and they get extremely good at it.

Excellently put @RickiTarr.

Thank you.

Why do people say: 'I believe' - what is the point of your belief? Nobody knows.

Documentary was Farrow's viewpoint. Very one sided. I haven't got a clue but making a lot of films with young female protagonists does not make you a child abuser. And having critics saying they will never watch another Woody Allen film is hardly a great game changer.

It’s almost like a sudden influx of hebephilia apologists on this thread.

@southeastdweller

Lumping Woody Allen with Rolf Harris and Jimmy Saville is completely wrong.

I was cheering for Diane Keaton when she publicly supported him, her and Scarlett Johansson.

I agree, this case is very different.

Based on the evidence I believe that Allen is innocent and that Dylan was very cruelly manipulated. Since it's never going to go through a court process people are free to believe what they want.

@RickiTarr

It’s almost like a sudden influx of hebephilia apologists on this thread.

New username too. After the recent events on Reddit, it makes me seriously question some forum users intentions. That scandal can't be an isolated case.

Mia 'I deplore child abuse except when I don't' Farrow was never a great actress and her acting is obvious in this crappy documentary. Interesting read here - nypost.com/2021/02/22/put-me-on-team-woody-mia-farrow-is-full-of-it/

Allen was sent to see a psychiatrist due to his behaviour with Dylan BEFORE his relationship with Soon-Yi so I don't buy all this re-writing of the timeline and woman scorned gaslighting nonsense.

Allen was sent to see a psychiatrist due to his behaviour with Dylan
Allen agreed to see a psychiatrist because Farrow insisted that he was too focussed on Dylan more than the other children. I'm not aware that the psychiatrist found anything wrong in his attitude towards Dylan.

New username too. After the recent events on Reddit, it makes me seriously question some forum users intentions

Don't know if that's aimed at me but I've namechanged - as you've always been allowed on MN - because this subject is so toxic and I don't want it following me round to other boards. My intentions here are the same as anyone else posting about a famous case?

This is what I believe - I believe Dylan - I believe that Dylan completely believes what she's saying. I also believe that Farrow coached and brainwashed Dylan into believing that.

I believe that Allen committed a TERRIBLE wrong - he betrayed Farrow and his children by getting in a relationship with Soon-Yi, he let Farrow find out in the most shocking damaging way, he put his ego and sexual desires above people he was supposed to care about and that is really really wrong. Because of that I don't feel so much sympathy for him as I perhsaps should, he brought it on himself.

I believe that people who think a father who's child sits on his lap wearing only a nappy, or let his children run around naked is somehow perverted - well those people have definitely got issues of their own because that's perfectly normal stuff for a parent to do.

I believe Moses Farrow when he says that Farrow was an abusive Mother who used physical violence, insane rages and guilt-tripping to control her children. I believe a person like that would be totally prepared to lie about child abuse in order to stop Allen getting custody of the children.

Parsnip Tea

Yes I tend to agree with you. I think there is a bigger picture going on about the family dynamics and abuse which isn't touched or remotely explored. Its almost as if Mia is directing this documentary