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Allen vs Farrow

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supercee · 15/03/2021 19:55

I've just binged the lot although episode 1 appeared to be missing? Anyone else watched this?

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RickiTarr · 19/03/2021 18:39

These seem to be a youngish teen Ronan. Can’t see Woody in the nose or anywhere in his face TBH.

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dayswithaY · 19/03/2021 19:43

Good work, Ricki. No, not much Woody but not too much Sinatra either, well not as much as now.

dayswithaY · 19/03/2021 19:44

Actually scrap that, yes I do see Frank.

Andylion · 19/03/2021 19:51

I didn't know Ronan had a nose job.

EachandEveryone · 19/03/2021 20:34

Well his mum has had good work done as well. They all do I would too😃

I go between both sides.

It’s disappointing when artists let you down ive enjoyed most of his films and funnily I loved Manhattan when I was in my early twenties, the age gaps never even caught my attention I was too busy admiring New York and laughing at the humour. Btw he’s maid over 50 films and it’s the minority of them that have had the old Man with young woman. People are talking like it’s all his films.

southeastdweller · 19/03/2021 20:53

Here's the 1993 psychology team's report in which they describe Dylan's version of events as "inconsistent, quite elaborate and fantasy-like at times".

www.scribd.com/document/496284443/Yale-New-Haven-Hospital-Report-re-Woody-Allen-abuse-investigation-March-17-1993

This wasn't included in the documentary.

medebourne · 19/03/2021 21:21

That's interesting that Ronan had a nose job.

I've always puzzled about Woody fathering Ronan, even leaving aside the Sinatra rumours. Woody claimed fatherhood by adoption or otherwise for three of Mia's children during his time with her. Dylan, Ronan and Moses. I'm not sure how Dylan came to be Mia's child, was it possibly a surrogate? She definitely adopted Moses. Later on when Woody married Soon Yi they adopted two children. That means that Woody is a father to 5 children but only Ronan is apparently his biological child. I don't really understand that.

In the documentary Mia says she 'became' pregnant naturally with Ronan while she was with Woody but I don't think she or the narrator actually say that Woody is definitely the biological father.

EachandEveryone · 19/03/2021 22:14

She implied that she adopted Dylan because Woody wanted her to adopt a blonde blue eyed girl so she did. Yet she adopted Dylan when she was only weeks old how did that happen so quickly?

TooOldandTired · 19/03/2021 22:26

I watched it but it wasn't really a documentary it was a one sided view of stuff that is already out there and there was no questioning of the narrative.

This article is very informative -
www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/03/allen-v-farrow-woody-allen-mia-farrow-documentary-is-pure-pr-why-else-would-it-omit-so-much
I have no idea if the abuse did happen, it is very possible it did and I certainly think Dylan believes it did and feel very sorry for her.
On a separate point - Ronan Farrow is the image of Frank Sinatra!

Sooverthemill · 20/03/2021 07:30

@dayswithaY why do you think he's had a nose job? I can find no evidence by googling nor by looking at young and current photos

Sooverthemill · 20/03/2021 07:33

@TooOldandTired that's been linked further up the thread. I obviously don't know but I tend to believe tha Farrow side. The Freeman article also just rehashes the same old opinions. And why shouldn't film makers be activists? We only got the charity Shelter because of 'Cathy come home' after all

medebourne · 20/03/2021 07:39

EachandEveryone at the beginning of the documentary Mia Farrow said she made the dolls house 'while she was waiting for Dylan to arrive' at first I thought she meant while she was pregnant but when I learned Dylan wasn't her biological child I assumed she was born to a surrogate mother.

dayswithaY · 20/03/2021 08:10

Sooverthemill I could be wrong about the nose job but I remember reading it somewhere on here, or in a magazine. The inference being that he may not naturally look as much like Sinatra as he appears to. Of course, now I realise that could just have been flung out there by Woody Allen's camp who seem pretty ruthless and quite vicious.

Sinatra's biographer (presumably not an Allen fan) also doubts that Ronan is Frank's son. At the time of his conception, Frank was quite elderly and recovering from major surgery, being nursed at home by his wife. He also believes he had had a vasectomy.

To throw further spanners into the works, Nancy Sinatra has said Ronan is very much part of their family, or words to that effect.

There's no way you wouldn't get a DNA test.

dayswithaY · 20/03/2021 08:16

I also think that Dylan was the result of a private adoption which is common in the US. I don't think surrrogacy with egg donation etc, was a thing then. She must have had that agency on speed dial over the years.

How did she pay for all those kids and that massive house in Connnecticut, all the nannies? Allen was only responsible for three of them, most she adopted on her own, think of the school fees and medical insurance! She couldn't have earned that much by being in a Woody Allen film once a year.

Sooverthemill · 20/03/2021 08:40

Dylan was adopted. That's never been hidden. This documentary says it too. Allen wanted a blue eyed blonde girl

Sooverthemill · 20/03/2021 08:46

@dayswithaY if you google, Mia Farrow's net worth is $60m. She was married to Frank Sinatra and Andre Previn ( and had 3 biological children and adopted 2 children plus Soon-yi with him). I imagine they paid alimony. Plus she appeared in some big films and TV shows before Allen. She also did quite a lot of theatre work including with RSC. So that's how she could afford her lifestyle

EachandEveryone · 20/03/2021 09:53

@Sooverthemill

Dylan was adopted. That's never been hidden. This documentary says it too. Allen wanted a blue eyed blonde girl
Yes but what kind of mother would listen to a bloke and actively seek a blonde blue eyed girl it’s not really in the interest of the child is it? And she got her when she was literally afew weeks what trumped her need to adopt over normal people she already had six. I hope Angelinas brood don’t end up as messed up.
Sooverthemill · 20/03/2021 10:02

@EachandEveryone well I don't know what went through their heads. But Mia is blonde and blue eyed so maybe like us at our AID counselling session about sperm donor she asked for a baby that would look a bit like her? I don't think that's especially bad. I do think she should maybe have rescued a few kittens instead though

RickiTarr · 20/03/2021 10:56

Mia does come across as a bit hippy and ethereal. I think she’s a very gentle and trusting person, and some of her decisions don’t seem the best, although I think her intentions are.

People like that do frequently attract bullies and predators and are susceptible to manipulation.

It’s always been astonishing that she allowed WA to adopt Moses & Dylan (who she was the solo adoptive mother to) after WA & Dylan were already both in therapy because of the issues between them. I remember thinking that as a teen when this was all being reported originally.

However, the courts allowed it, just as MF was allowed to adopt DF as a single woman but “for” her boyfriend WA and to his specifications (blonde, blue eyed). I think this just demonstrates how and why adoption in the US is a shambles. MF is as clearly naive in a couple of ways. It should be up to the adoption system to ensure suitability of placements, vet all adults and so on.

None of the above makes MF a liar, though, The timeline can make it seem plausible that the DF allegations were conveniently timed as a response to the SYP situation, but when you examine the whole situation, there is just too much collaboration and there are too many witnesses to the freaky behaviour and the twenty minutes that DF couldn’t be found.

southeastdweller · 20/03/2021 11:26

Mia does come across as a bit hippy and ethereal. I think she’s a very gentle and trusting person, and some of her decisions don’t seem the best, although I think her intentions are.

Intentions like wanting to support two child rapists? Confused

GiantKitten · 20/03/2021 12:01

Not always that gentle either, according to the not blonde & blue-eyed children Hmm

ChequerBoard · 20/03/2021 13:11

Why are some of the posters in this thread so adamant that Allen is innocent?

Having watched half of the document series so far, my impressions are that he is a deeply flawed, manipulative man. There is no way anyone could paint his grooming and subsequent relationship with Soon-Yi as anything but inappropriate at best.

His back catalogue of movies featuring creepy older men being irresistible to 17/18 year old girls speaks volumes about his inner thoughts and feelings.

I believe Dylan.

EachandEveryone · 20/03/2021 13:33

Ok heres a graph of all his movies and the age differences. So, Manhatten is about that very thing. Thats the subject of the film. How many more compared to how many he has made and compared to films in general? www.mic.com/articles/185578/heres-a-chart-showing-the-age-gaps-between-romantic-partners-in-woody-allens-movies

Sooverthemill · 20/03/2021 14:14

So what do you think the graphic demonstrates @EachandEveryone?

EachandEveryone · 20/03/2021 14:49

That he hasnt got a huge back catalogue of movies about being irresistible to 17/18 year olds as you imply? Age gaps yes but Manhatten is the only one off the top of my head that is specifically about a teen and a much older bloke. And the strange thing about that is that no one batted an eyelid at the time. It was highly acclaimed.