Undercover Police: Hunting Paedophiles

[MonicaGellerBing]

Channel 4 now. Anyone watching? I'm finding it really hard to watch and listen to. How the undercover police do that job talking to perverts all day using that language I don't know, what an amazing job they do though.

It's really hard to watch but I want to see the conclusion of the man they've arrested.

I'm heartbroken i won't sleep tonight. Evil cunts, they deserve death and nothing else.

@Nancylovesthecock

I had to turn it off.

It was incredibly unnecessarily explicit and disgusting.

I absolutely agree it crossed a line beyond educating and informing that wasn't necessary. And I say that as someone who works very closely with police in the area of child sexual abuse. I do admire the officers that do this work and have to view these videos and images. Thankfully I'm not required to do that and I'm certain I couldn't do it.

I watched it, it was very interesting and disturbing. The police officers do a great job in catching these monsters.

I will be watching again next time.

I started to watch it and had to turn it off, it’s extremely upsetting. I truly admire the police doing this work, it must be horrific

It was shocking

I also want them hanged. Even the ones who are 'just' downloading images. Just get rid of the lot of them. I don't care that they're socially awkward, or were abused as children: there's no excuses for that shit. Full stop. Most people do not find watching babies being raped edgy, relaxing or a turn on. There's no cure for what they have, you can't fix them with therapy or jail time, and there's only one solution that is 100% effective. Put them to sleep.

Just woke up after a nightmare about that programme.

Well as i predicated last night i had a terrible night sleep, i feel so depressed this morning. The fact there are children out there being raped day in day out is soul destroying. i only watched a few minuets, i couldn't watch it all the way through. It was so graphic i feel like it was too much, we can imagin what disgusting and awfull things must happen but to have it discribed what was happening was just too much.

As username suggests I have NC just so I could reply here. I have not long finished watching this programme. I felt very uncomfortable watching it. I work in a Prison which holds a great number of sex offenders. Whilst some of the points raised in the programme are correct (one being that offenders often have an incident happen which effectively stops their mental development at a young age and therefore they seek out children for this reason. Similar concept is spoken about in the film Lolita) these individuals cannot be cured or rehabilitated.

Not making excuses for them whatsoever but their sexual preference is like any other in as much as it’s part of you and what you happen to enjoy and that can’t be cured! People used to believe homosexuality could be ‘cured’ it cannot (nor should it be) but my point is you are born that way and you can’t change it. However people need protecting. Their compulsion to look at these images is so great that they will do it again. And as discussed many times even on these forums and research backs it’s up even with pornography many people find they need more and more extreme images / videos to have an effect on them. The same is true with child abuse images and then for many that’s not enough and they want to move onto actually committing offences themselves .

This programme had such an effect on me I am seriously thinking of moving away from my job as officer and into a job which is more focussed on the victims of crime as opposed to those who carry out offences. For every person (I don’t mean paedophiles - I mean offenders in general) who genuinely want help to change there are 100 who don’t or who talk the talk and play the system. The sentences given out aren’t enough. The regime inside prison is shocking and it’s a factory for offenders and a revolving door. Also the abuse we put up with is shocking and really has an effect after a while (but that’s a whole other thread )

I haven't seen it and will see if I can.

I've got a background when I've had to read things like accounts of torture and various child abuses elsewhere in the world - things other people I know simply can't read past the intro paragraph (which is fine - nobody should have to).

If you watched something like this programme sounds it was and are horrified, please turn your horror into something useful. So many parents have no idea what actually goes on online. They still think the danger comes from a dodgy man offering a kid sweets in the park (or equivalent).

Talk about the programme, if you can, don't discuss details that are too difficult for you, but the general things. Tell everybody you can.

These fuckers only get away with what they do because parents think their kids are just chatting, just gaming or "just" whatever. They're completely oblivious to the possibilities - or have heads in the sand. It's obviously nobody's fault if these guys are acting predatorily, but we make it easy for them by not paying attention to what our kids are up to online.

They also thrive in the darkness because we're too afraid to turn in the light. Nobody wants to think about or discuss this. That's PERFECT for the guys who do this. It's their ideal situation.

Again, it's not parents fault for these assholes doing what they do. But, we can make it a little bit harder for them. And any obstacle is better than none.

I know a lot of the abuse also happens abroad and is streamed or videoed, so it doesn't help the children abroad. But if one thing can be done, it's better than nothing.

Should also add with regard to chemical castration there has been debate over this and whether it would be effective. There are other ways of abusing children even if you didn’t have a penis. We also know for a lot of people a lot is in the mind and men in particular are visual.

Other points as uncomfortable as it is. It’s not just strangers. Ok it might be a stranger wanting to view these images online but where are they coming from at source. They are being made by (in many cases) family or people trusted to that child. Let’s start educating our children not just about strangers online but the people they spend time with and trust. What is and isn’t acceptable and what we can do as parents friends and family members where we know of or suspect abuse

“ please turn your horror into something useful. ”

@yetmorenamechanging

Good advice. We all have a role to play.

When I woke this morning the programme was the first thing on my mind. I feel sick knowing there are kids out there being abused right now, I want to be able to do something but what can one person do. The police who spend so much time catching them and setting up a case must be so frustrated at the pathetic sentences the offenders get. I do not understand our justice system that can let free a person who finds child rape a turn on.

I spent hours last night googling charities i can get involved in, i need to do something!!!!

@Hadtonamechange01 brilliant level-headed posts, thank you.

Another thing i found upsetting was, there was no mention of the children at the end of the program so those poor little souls are still being raped!!!

I watched this - what is happening to these poor innocent children is completely horrific. I question why these massive multi national companies aren’t MADE to police their spaces - they have the resources. If they were, it would at least start to help the problem. Clearly though there is no quick fix.

I do wonder if the details were given because the Police are completely at the end of their tether. When that Officer was going through those images found on the second offenders phone, she was calm but you could feel the anger bubbling underneath. I was shocked at the light sentences and the obvious risk these men pose to children, yet they are let out after such a short period of time. Maybe the police are trying to raise awareness of what truly horrific crimes there are in the hope it will provoke a public reaction which may change sentencing rules?

Clearly the first offender, who gave his real email address, had absolutely no fear about being caught. The second offender who said he wanted to “seek out” similar men in an attempt to “help” him, well that was clearly all crap. He volunteered in a children’s home. He is a dangerous predator who puts himself in a position where he can abuse children, not some lost soul trying to find “help.

My child isn’t at the age where he is using the internet yet but I know I need to educate myself on how I can keep him safe when he does.

I do wonder if the details were given because the Police are completely at the end of their tether.

I wondered this too. Especially when it was pointed out that people were being relatively open on line; it's as though the perpetrators know they aren't going to get caught, or if they are, they don't get a long sentence, so they are getting more blatant.

And the programme didn't explain why the incidence of this hideous crime has risen so quickly in recent years? Opportunity? Pornography?

I'd be interested to know what proportion of police resources are dedicated to tracking down these hideous individuals? Surely it has to be a priority.

What struck me was that these poor victims were abused by close family members. The police officer posing as the Father of a little girl to attract people and presumably more than one man engaged with him online, believing that scenario to be true

They also showed a screenshot of text on the chat forum from a man admitting to being a teacher in Brighton

I have worked in this area (sexual offending). There is not enough space in prisons to deal with the amount of people viewing indecent images of children, it's risen so much in recent years. Yes lots would have been abused themselves in childhood, but I saw people with 'respectable' jobs being convicted too. Teachers etc. A lot proclaimed that as they weren't the ones doing the act then they couldn't see what they were doing as wrong I.e the demand creates the supply.

I'm quite hardened when it comes to various offences but this offending affected me the most, when reading the different categories and the fact that not only were the victims subjected to degrading acts but being filmed too, and the majority of victims probably haven't been identified. Churns my stomach.

@Handsoffstrikesagain

The cycle is the worrying part. How does it end? I'm normally very liberal and all for second chances and rehab for criminals but when it comes to innocent children, I say hanging is a good solution.

And why is it so common? I keep hearing of it more and more

These men walk amongst us. The perpetrator last night, let's be honest, well we'd not let him near our kids would we? But there are cleverer villains out there who live beyond suspicion

I have to say that I watched this and was extremely surprised by how explicit it was. I found it very disturbing. Those poor poor babies. Heartbreaking.