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LucasLeesEyebrows · 08/02/2021 16:28

I saw a trailer for this the other evening but DC were running around and being loud so I missed most of it. Does anyone know when it’s starting please? I don’t want to miss it as it’s brilliant!

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SingToTheSky · 24/03/2021 08:47

I’m not going to read the preview article.

If there’s going to be a new series I’ll make the effort to watch all of Happy Valley - I did start the first series on Netflix ages ago but got distracted. Now I’m racing through crime dramas like nobody’s business! I do love SL as well.

JemimaTab · 24/03/2021 09:40

The pension thing: many final salary schemes will have rules that say you can retire early for ill-health, provided certain conditions are met. You will normally get a “full” pension in such cases. But if you take “normal” early retirement, before your normal retirement age (usually 60 or 65, depending on the rules of the pension scheme), then your pension is reduced to reflect the fact that it is being paid early and therefore it’s expected that it will be paid over a longer period of time overall.

The reduction is calculated by the pension scheme’s actuary, and may be specified in the scheme rules. But it can be quite a substantial reduction.

For example, if the reduction is 4% per year, and you take your pension 10 years early (age 55 instead of 65, say), that’s a 40% reduction. Compared to ill-health retirement where there may not be a reduction at all.

JemimaTab · 24/03/2021 09:48

(So I assume the position is that if Cassie retires “now”, she will get a much bigger reduction to her pension under the rules of the scheme than if she retires in 3 months time. The rules usually also apply a higher reduction if you leave employment before your minimum retirement age, compared to if you retire immediately from active service).

EachandEveryone · 24/03/2021 11:28

Yes but in her era no police were expected to put thirty years in. They could go early like prison officers or nurses. 25 yeaes usually. Also its not difficult to get signed off with stress and go under medical grounds. Shes served her time surely?

EachandEveryone · 24/03/2021 11:29

Its the way theyved talked about losing her pension that i dont understand as if it will go up inna piece of smoke. Ifits based on her final salary in the nhs its the last two years.

isurvived3under2 · 24/03/2021 11:31

Do we know what Dean and his wife were referring to when she asked him why they police had interviewed him about (episode 3 I think) and he said 'not that!'?

oneglassandpuzzled · 24/03/2021 11:35

@EachandEveryone

Yes but in her era no police were expected to put thirty years in. They could go early like prison officers or nurses. 25 yeaes usually. Also its not difficult to get signed off with stress and go under medical grounds. Shes served her time surely?
It’s only three months, though. It doesn’t seem an unbearably long time to carry on.
Inkanta · 24/03/2021 11:38

It’s only three months, though. It doesn’t seem an unbearably long time to carry on

Yes I thought that.

Inkanta · 24/03/2021 11:41

Her Police pension will be much bigger than an NHS pension. Well worth finishing off the last 3 months!

ImAncient · 24/03/2021 12:38

@isurvived3under2

Do we know what Dean and his wife were referring to when she asked him why they police had interviewed him about (episode 3 I think) and he said 'not that!'?
I don’t think so. She also didn’t know about his family so unrelated to their dealings.
LadyCatStark · 24/03/2021 12:52

@isurvived3under2

Do we know what Dean and his wife were referring to when she asked him why they police had interviewed him about (episode 3 I think) and he said 'not that!'?
The transporting of the drugs that he did a few episodes ago I think.
LadyCatStark · 24/03/2021 12:59

@SirVixofVixHall

I watched last night’s episode all over again this evening, I am still no closer to guessing, but I like the pp’s theory that Walsh was put in the boot still living and someone finished him off. I am veering between Fiona and Dean, then moving on to Liz....I hope it isn’t Dean. I think Fiona is the most likely culprit.
I think that the victim (can’t remember his name) wasn’t dead when they put him in the car. Lox drove the car home, opened the boot (or heard him) and stuck him with the pointy end of her fancy fountain pen. Maybe that’s too obvious though as they’ve already given us a fountain pen shot of Liz to either give us a clue or throw us off...
SirVixofVixHall · 24/03/2021 14:19

Although when Liz met Fiona, she really went over the “and then I drove the car home” bit, as though something else entirely had happened.

I like the theory that Walsh knew Dean. It will be sad if it is Dean though, he is such a good Dad and his wife is lovely.

RoyalCorgi · 24/03/2021 14:30

I think that the victim (can’t remember his name) wasn’t dead when they put him in the car. Lox drove the car home, opened the boot (or heard him) and stuck him with the pointy end of her fancy fountain pen. Maybe that’s too obvious though as they’ve already given us a fountain pen shot of Liz to either give us a clue or throw us off...

Oh! I was going to come on here to say exactly this. It makes so much sense. It came to me last night! It means that Ram and Dean have one view of what happened, ie they think that they accidentally killed him, but Liz and Fiona know what really happened. Liz would have killed him because she knew that alive he would be in a position to put a stop to their careers before they'd even begun. Fiona wouldn't have really cared, but Liz would have been determined to kill him because she really wanted the police career. Then when Fiona had her driving accident, she was able to blackmail Liz to lose the blood sample. We also know that Fiona is a liar so she has cleverly told Cass half the story, omitting the part where they find him alive and Liz kills him. And that part of the story would be corroborated by Ram and Dean when they finally confessed, because they don't know the rest of it.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 24/03/2021 14:36

@EachandEveryone

Its the way theyved talked about losing her pension that i dont understand as if it will go up inna piece of smoke. Ifits based on her final salary in the nhs its the last two years.
Not as far as I know,.

I'd picked up on that, too and am dying to know what it is, so if it has been explained, and anybody knows, please tell!

SchadenfreudePersonified · 24/03/2021 14:38

Christ!

Will it ever be Monday?

Chicchicchicchiclana · 24/03/2021 14:54

No! since when do the BBC publish spoilers in their previews? Argh.

I like Jumanji's theory that Dean's dodgy brothers are involved somehow - maybe with the cutting up for the body?

I also think the head and hands might have been stored at Liz's mother's house ("H" Grin) until the last 8 years.

Dean's drugs running past must be tied up with his brothers too I would imagine and Ram's involvement means they got away with their crimes, somehow he made any police scrutiny go away.

Maybe they were all given fountain pens on the day of the passing out parade (seems like the sort of memento they could have received) so they all had a pen on them in the car that night.

Whatever happens, Episode 6 is going to feel too short Sad.

Puffinhead · 24/03/2021 15:28

@RoyalCorgi

I think that the victim (can’t remember his name) wasn’t dead when they put him in the car. Lox drove the car home, opened the boot (or heard him) and stuck him with the pointy end of her fancy fountain pen. Maybe that’s too obvious though as they’ve already given us a fountain pen shot of Liz to either give us a clue or throw us off...

Oh! I was going to come on here to say exactly this. It makes so much sense. It came to me last night! It means that Ram and Dean have one view of what happened, ie they think that they accidentally killed him, but Liz and Fiona know what really happened. Liz would have killed him because she knew that alive he would be in a position to put a stop to their careers before they'd even begun. Fiona wouldn't have really cared, but Liz would have been determined to kill him because she really wanted the police career. Then when Fiona had her driving accident, she was able to blackmail Liz to lose the blood sample. We also know that Fiona is a liar so she has cleverly told Cass half the story, omitting the part where they find him alive and Liz kills him. And that part of the story would be corroborated by Ram and Dean when they finally confessed, because they don't know the rest of it.

I almost agree with this except I think it was Liz and Dean involved (who finished him off with the pen). I think Ram and Fiona genuinely believed he was dead in the allotment.
Puffinhead · 24/03/2021 15:32

Liz and Dean also sorted the body out (cutting up limbs), both very calm under pressure characters.Fiona would have been too flakey (she’d also been drinking that night).

Eve · 24/03/2021 15:36

when Dean called to ask for info for his drug running - he mentioned the usual payment plus a bit on top, we then found out later it was Ram he called.

Cassie mentioned last night about getting the bank statements - so that will uncover the relationship between the 2 of them.

fizbosshoes · 24/03/2021 15:50

Cassie mentioned last night about getting the bank statements - so that will uncover the relationship between the 2 of them.

If they were doing something dodgy though, surely they wouldnt leave a paper trail by doing bank transfers...?

MatildaMainly · 24/03/2021 16:19

Things that are bothering me or relate to what's being discussed here.

Cassie said that if she didn't complete the outstanding three months' service to get to the 30 year benchmark, she'd lose £124,000. John said they'd be ok and would manage wherever they're supposed to relocate to with his job, Cornwall? but Cassie said she didn't know how much money was going to be needed for her father's care. So at first she had to go back for the cash shortfall and then stay despite what John said, because she wants to solve the case.

The victim's body. Matthew Walsh's torso was found in a freezer at Robert Fogarty's home after he too died. The skin displayed signs of 'freezer burn' When the head and hands were discovered in the unchilled freezer cabinet in the storage unit, they were mummified, so not frozen despite being located in a freezer. Who mummified them and where had they been kept until Fogarty acquired the storage unit, was it him paying the rent? He could've taken the remains there at any time in the last eight years.

The fountain pen in the skull. Not any fountain pen, a very expensive one engraved with a serial number, which might point to a gift for Liz when she graduated university (Oxford?) Possibly a more likely scenario than a gift for passing out at Hendon especially seeing as none of the five had any family or friends attending.
Will detectives be able to trace that serial number and record of sale?
Also noted that the pen had a gold nib, which is not a hard metal and especially not so for a weapon.

I don't think Dean's past criminal activity is to do with his brothers, He changed his name and address and didn't want to be found. Just who did disclose his home location to his mother? I can't see it being either Cassie or Sunny.

I think Fiona's version of events is very suspect, far too keen to drop everything on Ram. I'm not clear about Ram's father, is he simply ignoring Ram or does he have some kind of dementia too, he didn't seem to speak to his wife and I can't recall any more about him.

Fiona lies about everything, literally everything. I really can't figure if the children are hers or just her partners, I got that impression, but it's not clear at all is it. Ram cheats and lies, right from when we first saw him parking illegally and tipping the wink to the traffic warden near the family business. He misused the police computer, destroyed the credibility of the complainant against him and is involved with something shady with Dean. Liz and Dean were supposedly the brightest graduates of their group from Hendon with Dean being the most naturally predisposed to police work according to the trainer. Who and what has he been involved with in the past, who did he owe a favour to and how is Ram implicated in that?

When Liz threatened her mother that she'd put a pillow over her as she slept she was extremely menacing and I believed she could do it too.

The ending was such a cliff-hanger. Presumably Liz was on her way back from East Anglia where Cassie and Sunny had interviewed her? hence her being in a car. We don't know the time frame really do we and I can't see how anyone would've been able to place Cassie at that junction at that precise time.

I think the women are my chief suspects, can't decide which one yet, but I bet there's a massive twist and we've all been puzzling our brains over red herrings. I've got more but have gone on far too long Grin The mummification is the big question though, that's hardly been brought up as a query.

LadyCatStark · 24/03/2021 16:54

@MatildaMainly I think Cassie must have given Dean’s mum the information, which would be a massive GDPR breach!

I think they did explain the mummification at one point but I wasn’t paying attention as it was gross! I think she said it was ‘like it was mummified’ rather than actually mummified and had been frozen but then decomposed once the freezer was unplugged 🤢. I guess due to it being in a freezer it wasn’t exposed to the usual bacteria that would break it down. I’m not 100% sure that’s what was said though.

PintPot · 24/03/2021 17:17

I really don't believe Cassie would give Dean's details out , esp after she explicitly told Mrs Quinn she couldn't disclose them - it was so specific I feel it has to be a clue in itself. But how else would Dean's mum find out where he lived? Maybe she (or the brother) called in an old favour from someone else still in the police force - Ram or Liz?

colouringindoors · 24/03/2021 17:21

Does seem totally out of character for Cassie to disclose Dean's address.

For some reason I really don't want it to be Dean. Happy for it to be any of the others. Which probably means its him 😅