Unforgotten

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I saw a trailer for this the other evening but DC were running around and being loud so I missed most of it. Does anyone know when it’s starting please? I don’t want to miss it as it’s brilliant!

I've watched the whole series, and infact watched episodes 3 and 4 again this afternoon as I needed some stuff refreshing.

I agree with the confusion about the head and hands in the small freezer in the storage unit - why there? Why not got rid of? Basically, Fogarty had the whole body under his care for 30 years - the head and hands in the storage unit (although he'd only had that for 8 years) and the rest of the body in a freezer in his basement. I haven't rewatched Ep 1 but I thought he died of alcoholism? There was an interview with his son (a mechanic) who had nothing to do with him? Perhaps I need to go back and re-watch Ep 1. But where were the head and hands after the murder but before Fogarty rented the storage unit?

The other huge, gaping, enormous hole in the plot that is really troubling me is that Fran (I think that's her name - she of the wide trousers) reports back to Cassie that she has a witness to the car stopping and Ram and Fogarty getting out and chasing Walsh, at least once if not twice. And yet we never see these witnesses? Or did we? But if we didn't why not? is anyone else bothered by this?

The other huge, gaping, enormous hole in the plot that is really troubling me is that Fran (I think that's her name - she of the wide trousers) reports back to Cassie that she has a witness to the car stopping and Ram and Fogarty getting out and chasing Walsh, at least once if not twice. And yet we never see these witnesses? Or did we? But if we didn't why not? is anyone else bothered by this? You may have a major point there @Chicchicchicchiclana! It would be a twist that they're all set up as suspects but may not be (although isn't that sort of the twist of the first series so unlikely to go down the same route again?).

I thought the mechanic was walsh’s son but they never met as mum was pregnant? I’m not sure we know all that much about fog yet. Which is weird really.

Fascinating about the costume stuff. My mum’s best friend did tv costume work but mostly children’s. I love analysing stuff like that in books and tv/film.

Re Harry Potter I remember reading that they’d given Umbridge the fluffy cardigan as it literally softened her outline to show the sweet kind image the character wanted to portray, in contrast of course to her sharp evil nature.

Hurry up Monday! This is the penultimate one right?

Ah, I think you are right about the mechanic being Walsh's son, Singtothesky. He dug out the letters from his uncle that led to Fran tracking him down to the homeless shelter? I was getting confused. But still no on screen interview with the witness/es who saw the car stopping and people getting out and chasing someone? I might watch eps 1 and 2 again tonight as I'm home alone and have full possession of the tv remote! I want to see again what they know about Fogarty.

Like pp I am very curious as to why Liz is so reluctant to pay her Mum's carer a decent wage. Is she just plain racist? or absolutely strapped for cash? Her rank and lifestyle don't seem to suggest so.

I think the whole theme of the series seems to be linked to racism in the police force.

Cassie always looks miserable because she is miserable! Her Dad has dementia and is going to give away her inheritance to a woman he's only just met, she had a terrible time in series 3, she wanted to retire, she's doing the job against her will. All very understandable.

I do feel slightly cheated that we never got to see the happy, successful phase of her newish relationship with John. End of series three it was all lingering looks and smouldering passion. Now they're unsociably distanced and he is absolutely about to move away without her.

But still no on screen interview with the witness/es who saw the car stopping and people getting out and chasing someone?

They didn't show the interviews with witnesses, the female officer relayed what the witness said.

I think the whole theme of the series seems to be linked to racism in the police force.

I'm disappointed with the "chip on the block/race card" angle they've adopted with this character. He's obviously a wrong-un but has managed to progress his career. The race card approach re-inforces so many negative tropes that racists like to trot out, therefore minimising the very serious and current issue of systemic racism within the police force.

@mazylou

I love this series, so clever.

I don’t think you hire an actress like Sheila Hancock and give her three tiny scenes or whatever she’s had. I’m expecting her to have a huge moment coming up pretty soon.

I agree @mazylou. There’s more to come from SH

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@Chicchicchicchiclana and @NewModelArmyMayhem18

I thought the witness wide leg trousers mentioned, was the brother peeing in the bush

I'm disappointed with the "chip on the block/race card" angle they've adopted with this character. He's obviously a wrong-un but has managed to progress his career. The race card approach re-inforces so many negative tropes that racists like to trot out, therefore minimising the very serious and current issue of systemic racism within the police force.

Unless it turns out his chippiness is entirely justified and he is just fed up of fighting systemic racism day in day out.

Love Susan Lynch; the RP is pretty flawless - don’t think you’d ever know she’s Northern Irish.

Why is N Walker not drinking her customary massive glasses of red at home on the regular? I have only seen one this whole series.

Love Sanjeev B as well.

I watched the whole of series 1 this weekend as I couldn't remember it - what a difference. Cassie was so enthusiastic so it's quite sad that she is now (understandably given the plot) so miserable. V funny when she started to sing "Sunny..."
I can't see there being another series as surely she will have worked out her 3mths till retirement, but really hope there is.

Although it seemed her father might be having second thoughts about giving his share of the house to his girlfriend, Cassie is currently in the position of not having the security for her sons that she'd anticipated.

If, at the end of this series, her relationship has broken up and she feels she needs to earn more money - that's plenty to propel her into prolonging her career. (If she's allowed to?)

I really hope there's another series too, the quality never dips - unlike other crime dramas.

I wish they would tell us more about Fogarty - how he died and what he did for a living after leaving the police.

And can Cassie and Sunny go and interview Sheila Hancock - she'll tell them everything!

[quote Blondeshavemorefun]**@Chicchicchicchiclana* and @NewModelArmyMayhem18*

I thought the witness wide leg trousers mentioned, was the brother peeing in the bush[/quote]
No it wasn't. The brother was interviewed by Cassie and Sunny when he mentioned that - not until episode 3 or 4.

Fran talked about a female witness quite early on. There was a scene in the morning briefing where she said to Cass "there is no formal record of a statement from this witness on file" and Cass says "why, is it lost or was one never taken?" and a little bit is made about how odd it is that there's no record of this. [More evidence mysteriously missing in this case? like the family therapist's missing blood test from her drink/drive crash? ...].

Then there's a scene where Fran talks to Cass on the phone after interviewing the witness and then there's a scene in the police station where she draws where the witness was on the map.

This unseen person is THE key witness in the whole case who talks about an asian man chasing the victim and yet we do not see her interviewed when we do see lots of other peripheral characters. Just strikes a jarring note to me.

@TheUnquestionedAnswer

Is the special needs son who they had the charity thing for, the same one they show in a flashback?

Maybe the boy wasn’t killed in the accident, but is the son? But why would they all be friends if this was the case?

This unseen person is THE key witness in the whole case

It's going to be Liz's mother, isn't it?

Pursuing I’d just been wondering the same! Seems plausible that she’d drop her daughter in it

Yes @Chicchicchicchiclana there's go to be something in it. It's there's so much about the inner workings of the police isn't there. That it wouldn't too too far a stretch to think evidence going missing to keep the four cadets on.

The police trainer (he of the "he had a chip on his shoulder" about Ram) did say the two (Liz and Dean) were very good students, so they'd have wanted to keep them on. Then didn't another high up officer say the incident in pub with Ram was pushed aside as the met needed to start being more diverse Fiona, despite not being a good student, had a father in police so possibly kept due to that - are we aware what role he had?

Fotherby being the fall guy.

Forgerty not Fotherby. Feck's sake just took five attempts to make that Fogerty stop changing.

Should add i agree the whole "race card" part is uncomfortable. It's like when a storyline goes down a "lying about sexual assuslt" route. It just feeds into the (real life) belief It's the standard behaviour.

Wonder if they'll have something where another person or people in the police (aside from the trainer) tries to suggest racism isnt a thing in the met and Sunny cracks. Then we'd have both Cassie and Sunny disillusioned with the police

@PursuingProxemicExactitude

This unseen person is THE key witness in the whole case

It's going to be Liz's mother, isn't it?

Oh

Yes.

That wouid be a fab twist

@PursuingProxemicExactitude

This unseen person is THE key witness in the whole case

It's going to be Liz's mother, isn't it?

I'm rewatching the series and I've noticed Fran refers to the witness as Hancock!

Seriously, Pollo? Good to see the writer having some fun.

And. And. And - if evil mother as key witness is correct ... You know how they keep on telling us that sober Liz took charge of the guilty car? And therefore the corpse. I'm guessing that for some reason she took part of the corpse home to the house she then lived in with her parents. (And maybe only removed it more recently?)

One thing - was Fogerty carted off to clink that night for charging? My theory would work better if Liz had driven him home and he'd insisted, or she'd insisted that they share out the erm ... spoils.

Oooh I like the theory that Liz's Mum is the witness. It would explain the loss of the statement from the file (didn't Liz make the blood test of her ex disappear from Kingston nick) and the hold that her mother has over her. After all her current fiancee says something like "I would have binned the old bag off years ago" and doesn't understand why Liz continues a relationship with her. Great theory to the pp who suggested this.

I definitely think Liz is more of a wrong un than Ram.

Just wanted to add that I think Fiona's (finally remembered her name) deceased Dad will be in the back story somewhere.

I found the dynamic between Ram and Dean quite hard to read. Dean suggested Ram had done him some sort of favour. I wondered whether Ram had helped “hide” whatever Dean was up to. Drugs? As Ram was in vice. So maybe another blackmail scenario.