It's a Sin, 9 pm Channel 4, 22nd Jan CONTAINS SPOILERS **titled edited by MNHQ**

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I keep seeing trailers for this. Anyone else looking forward to it?

Colin's Mum was so lovely. As he hadn't mentioned his family I was expecting something like Gloria's and Ritchie's.

So...great opening lines, fantastic 80s music and by turns funny (flippantly so at times), emotional - sometimes shockingly as in one of Colin's scenes, and certainly thought provoking. Blame culture was touched on and discussed - quite well I though. Tissues definitely needed.

Neil Patrick Harris was excellent - would like to have seen more of him. Keeley Hawes was good but confusing - I think representational of how many parents reacted. I liked Jill but there should have been more to her.

I agree with @unique1986 in that there wasn't enough detail - there was so much more to those times - and the series should have been longer to include it.

I feel it should have ended with some follow up detail rather than (if watched live) a Ch4 link given to general support organisations (you'd have to dig to find the THT one). If they're going to mention things like is saliva a risk and not answer it I'd imagine some people watching might not know.

Also wonder if anyone watching this is aware how much HIV can impact anyone - about a 3rd of those living with HIV in the UK are women.

Just as a comparison to today, antiretroviral treatment is so effective now that even those who are diagnosed so late that they have some of the AIDS defining illnesses as shown in the series, they can come back from these and recover. However stigma/lack of knowledge can still be a thing, even in healthcare settings with say a nurse not wanting to touch/look after someone with HIV. So much work needed if we're to get to zero new HIV infections and zero stigma by 2030 which is the plan.

I do need to watch it all again to assimilate more I think.

I completely missed 3. Watching it now on laptop which is all a bit weird!

Not sure if I’m seeing something here that isn’t, but the guy in the bed at the end, the one that had no visitors. Was he the permanent replacement in the tailors that Colin worked in?

I also thought I’d seen him earlier in the series but I couldn’t think who he was.

Marcus was played by Richard Cant (Brian Cant's son) who was also in Blink, when it was helmed by RTD.
I didn't think we'd seen him previously, apart from a single shot of him alone earlier in episode 5 but I could be wrong.

Yes pos am aware but it still bears repeating. Not just an issue for women in the UK either - worse still, are the stats for women of colour in Sub-Saharan Africa, many of whom have no access to treatment.

According to UNAIDS statistics, AIDS-related deaths declined by 39% in the last decade, yet 690,000 people still died in 2019.
Similarly, although new HIV infections went down by 23% since 2010, 1.7M people still became seropositive in 2019.
Over half of these were women from Sub-Saharan Africa. More than eighty percent were only 15-to-19 years old.

It has been estimated that potentially more than half a million will die from AIDS-related diseases because of disruption in treatment due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

Sorry, not no access to treatment, rather >barriers to accessing/adhering to treatment.

Russia also has spiking cases, although I think that statistically it is more men have been affected there, possibly down to addiction issues Putin doesn't want to address. Lastly, and sorry for being boring or preaching to the converted but David France, who I mentioned upthread, did a documentary which was on iplayer last year called Welcome to Chechnya, dealing with the gay purges.
This is another thing some might not be aware of - we forget that there is the dealth penalty in many countries for being gay - in Chechnya gay people were literally disappearing, even a high-profile singer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelim_Bakaev

Loved every episode and binged it until my eyes hurt but I had to feel the emotions of the ending.

Characters were fantastic. A key moment (there are many but it hasn't been mentioned yet do thought I would) of fantastic exchange was in the kitchen of the hospital where another patients Mum walked in to get squash (she is familiar and famous in her own right but can't think of her name- I guessed it was her before she appeared - very distinct voice) and gives her a verbal slap around the face- 'What the fuck have you been looking at instead of your son' ?
So so powerful and tells the audience so much about the myriad of excuses that people would use to stay in denial about all sorts of things - I just thought 'well yes, exactly- you saw a version of a son you wanted, not the son you have in front of you'

And when Jill delivered her speech at the very end ...he was so, so beautifully gay with the conviction of true belief. No shame and no disgust. Just celebrating Ritchie for everything he was. Not the common narrative of the past that's for sure- she was great!

I've been thinking about it all day!

@PomegranatePip Those scenes were wonderful. She did try when she kept asking if he was ok on the phone. I agree she just saw the version she wanted. She was cruel at the end and selfish. I loved Ritchie's attitude to the end even if it was acting on his part. The fun he'd had and the boys he'd slept with. She did love him in her own way.

If you've all binged it, does that mean i'll be alone next Friday?..

Nah Jelly I'm always procrastinating being on here so you'll pop up on threads I'm on and I'll hold your hand
OP what did you think the video was about - that robots got destroyed if they fell in love, fell out of love or if that love was unrequited? or was it about Hollywood as in the btl comments or about record labels?
It was very Blade Runner ty
Worked out who the agent was - Tracy-Ann Oberon - also fame, ended up a cyberman iirc so we come full circle

I can’t look at this thread as only watched the first episode but want to mark it for when I finish it!! I bloody love it though!! Grew up working in a theatre in the 80s so had many gay friends and I was so terrified for them and then me as it wasn’t just affecting gay people. The cast are amazing, I am trying to maybe do one episode a night as don’t want it to go all at once but I could easily watch it all!!

@HomeSchoolerRockthemicrophone

He was more relaxed on the One show and Lorraine.

No @Jellycat I will be watching again I'm sure and also the After hours thing on youtube

Homeschooler..
I'm avoiding this thread now until next Friday (spoilers)

@HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone I just think he got close to the robot after his boyfriend ditched him but then the robot became obsolete as new robots were built so they were scrapped. But it could be a metaphor for Hollywood I guess. Also fame was not as great as it was cracked up to be and became tedious doing the same thing over and over.

Totally blown away.
I worked in London HIV/AIDS wards in the early 90s. We were paid extra. I’m assuming a legacy from the earlier years when they had to incentivise people to work on the wards.
This drama so perfectly captured so much of it.
The parents of some of my patients were petrified when they heard my accent and realised I came from their home area. The shame, the stigma, the despair.
For those who died alone, we went to their funerals. We had amazing teams.
I watched the whole series today with my teens who are hugely involved in LGBGT advocacy. An emotional day because I realised that I’d never talked much about my work from those days. They were fascinated.

I can’t get it out of my head. Like being transported back in time.

[quote HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone]Nah Jelly I'm always procrastinating being on here so you'll pop up on threads I'm on and I'll hold your hand
OP what did you think the video was about - that robots got destroyed if they fell in love, fell out of love or if that love was unrequited? or was it about Hollywood as in the btl comments or about record labels?
It was very Blade Runner ty
Worked out who the agent was - Tracy-Ann Oberon - also fame, ended up a cyberman iirc so we come full circle

I bloody love RTD he certainly has his own style, I can even see why people would find some of his tropes a bit overblown. I really liked this although agree with others that it could have been longer, felt a bit compressed.

Has anyone read the writers tale by him? Its about his time writing Dr who, so insightful and I love his prose. Queer as folk is still in my top 10 series ever, I remember it being quite controversial at the time

Cheers to you both - will look up The heart goes last and Writer's Tale now. I understood some of the premise Simon but not why androids were destroying their own - so why did #10 get 'resigned' - what had they done wrong?

Binged it all over the past 24 hours. Sat here with tears in my eyes now. So harrowing but so well done.

It's odd how standards change so quickly, I doubt queer as folk would be made now, with one of the main characters shagging an underage boy. As a teen in the nineties with a gay friend amongst others who regularly shagged older blokes (pretty much everyone I knew was at it). It was, so normalised.

It was of its time. I thought Aidan Gillen was bloody gorgeous but adored both female characters (Denise Black and Carla Henry as Donna). Craig Kelly's appearance on Strictly ruined Vince for me. Jess I adored the original Utopia - gutted when it was cancelled - and loved the original to the extent that I have avoided the remake? Have you seen it on Amazon and is it worth a watch?

I don't have good enough internet for catch up. Is episode 1 repeated at all?

I think it was repeated the same night at 12.25 (Sat morning) which doesn't help you one iota. Cannot see the schedules for definite though.