It's a Sin, 9 pm Channel 4, 22nd Jan CONTAINS SPOILERS **titled edited by MNHQ**

[notawittyname1954]

I keep seeing trailers for this. Anyone else looking forward to it?

[Mangolist]

I've just read the book that the real Jill wrote about the pink palace. It's superb and she mentions various people who were lossley based obn the characters as well as how horrific it all was. I also lived thrugh it but like others, it was something we didnt really have on our radar

[clpsmum]

@Mangolist

I've just read the book that the real Jill wrote about the pink palace. It's superb and she mentions various people who were lossley based obn the characters as well as how horrific it all was. I also lived thrugh it but like others, it was something we didnt really have on our radar

Could you tell me the name of the book please if love to read it

[clpsmum]

@MercyBooth

I wonder if the subtext of Lucy still living at home was that she has brought potential partners home, they have met her parents, seen how bloody awful they are and run a mile.

Apparently she was there because originally the series was going to be longer and the final episode would revisit Jill at 55 and the sister was there because of that

[ermagerdabear]

I rewatched it's recently and while I thinks it's an absolutely brilliant series, I picked up more on the misogyny this time round. I get what RTD was trying to say, but I hate the ending. Why is it all Ritchie's mother's fault?! Why was Jill pointing the finger at her and not his dad? And Jill is absolutely two dimensional. She's just the mother hen who goes around picking up after the boys and making excuses for them, because what else do women do? They certainly don't have their own lives, do they? I don't buy the 'there wasn't enough time to show Jill's life' excuse either. It didn't have to be an entire episode devoted to her, just some hints that she had her own life outside of these men.

[SequinsandStilettos]

Jill Nalder Love from the pink palace

[RenegadeMatron]

Agree @ermagerdabear - I struggled with both those aspects, as well.

I think it is not uncommon for some gay men to have an inherent streak of misogyny that basically sees women as irrelevant, at best; service people, at worst.

Jill is positioned as the perfect woman - a caring, devoted, LGBT ally (the #bemorejill hashtag sums this up), but there was no point to her in the story line, other than to service the boys.

Do the dishes, cook the food, shop for Gloria, research the encroaching illness (why did none of them want to do this?!), (wo)man the call line, administer their medication, sit with the friendless, dying man.

Not only did she never have a boyfriend, but she didn’t even have any girlfriends! Neither of these were even vaguely alluded to.

I get the story line isn’t about her - it’s about the devastating illness and how it impacted the gay community at the time. But that was the one and only aspect that left me feeling a bit deflated. Women are only any good to gay men, as dedicated, uncomplaining proxy wives….

[theveg]

Do the dishes, cook the food, shop for Gloria, research the encroaching illness (why did none of them want to do this?!), (wo)man the call line, administer their medication, sit with the friendless, dying man.
I agree and thought the same when I watched it

She even wrote cards to Gloria didn't she? Or to his family?! I always thinking writing cards as the ultimate "wife work" task

[clpsmum]

Books just arrived thank you for recommending them pps

[Mangolist]

@SequinsandStilettos

Jill Nalder Love from the pink palace

Sorry, yes this is the one!