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It's a Sin, 9 pm Channel 4, 22nd Jan CONTAINS SPOILERS **titled edited by MNHQ**

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notawittyname1954 · 21/01/2021 13:13

I keep seeing trailers for this. Anyone else looking forward to it?

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HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone · 22/01/2021 17:01

Excellent cover, thank you Flowers

HIVpos · 22/01/2021 17:07

Good thread and looking forward to watching this. From what I understand the 3rd episode on might be triggering for some so I don’t know if that helps any with your 13 yr old watching it @HaveANiceFuckingDay ?

From what i remember (i was 12 in 1985) 1980s There was an undercurrent that you were somehow more "worthy" if you caught HIV through infected blood in a transfusion rather than through sex

Exactly @MercyBooth - the so-called “good” HIV and the “bad” HIV as discussed in this video by Lizzie Jordan and others . It will be interesting to see parallels drawn by anyone watching the series and the current pandemic about this and generally.

The 80s with the tombstone ads had an impact on me in that they were so shockingly memorable, and I also did a lot of travelling then including several months in Africa. However I never thought HIV would be so personally relevant. I think after watching the series I’ll feel even more grateful that I live in a time of such great effective treatment for it. 🙏

covetingthepreciousthings · 22/01/2021 21:14

Does Colin remind anyone else of a very young Alan Partridge? Just his look.

Jellykat · 22/01/2021 21:17

I'm watching, i was 22 in '85, and at Art School, this was my era and i lost 3 beautiful friends.. can remember it all so clearly.. we told them to be careful all the bloody time, but they wouldn't listen Sad

notawittyname1954 · 22/01/2021 21:49

So far really engaged with all the characters

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Jellykat · 22/01/2021 22:00

That was very very good! and spot on..

Badonkdonk · 22/01/2021 22:02

Loved the first episode. Great characters. Already heart wrenching.

MercyBooth · 22/01/2021 22:02

Neil Patrick Harris is on Graham Norton tonight.

StudentProblems · 22/01/2021 22:11

Absolutely loved this.

PuppyMonkey · 22/01/2021 22:20

Thought it was absolutely fabulous! Great depiction of the time. Not that I was a gay guy, but just generally a really authentic feel of the time.

HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone · 22/01/2021 22:22

Am enjoying it very much so far (behind you lot cos I dropped a can of coke all over my sofa - don't ask!) and episode 3 is going to make me cry isn't it? pos Was it as simple as being careful jelly - government did fuck all til 87, THT was doing outreach from when, 85? and rights which had been hard won - it must have been hard suddenly changing habits if you hadn't had to use condoms before? I don't know, I'm straight but still went condomless in LTRs and then found out in 89 bf had cheated on me. I didn't even make it to episode 3 pos Neil Patrick Harris scenes made me sob like a bairn.
Gideon Mendel did a load of ward photos in 93 where things were better - nursing staff were more attached to patients - but in 82, all the trays outside the door stuff was accurate. RTD's done his homework.

After hours show in above link for anyone who wants it. I thought all the cast, without exception, were fantastic. The remaining 4 episodes are up. I will need to sit on my hands not to binge it.
JustDanceAddict · 22/01/2021 22:32

Thought it was very good. I was only a young tween/teen then though.

user1471464218 · 22/01/2021 22:34

Really enjoyed that, the characters and the music. Looking forward to the next one.

MercyBooth · 22/01/2021 22:37

it was very good.

Graphista · 22/01/2021 22:38

Details are spot on in my opinion. Rent paid on a Friday I well remember that as a lodger in the 80’s. Bit later in the 80’s than this. Also the advice not to touch anything “left behind” on the tube or anywhere if I went “up London” for the day. As an army brat at this time this was drummed into us!

@mercybooth thanks for heads up re Graham Norton though yet again norton has said stuff I don’t agree with, but it’s hard to be totally ethical in an unethical world

LOVE Neil Patrick harris though he did a great job with that accent. Thinking he must be playing a bit older than he is too as he’s only a year younger than me and if he settled down with Juan in 1951 he must have at least been in his 20’s then so he’s playing in his 50’s?

Almost in tears when they were talking about their families.

Come the 90’s I was nursing aids patients, some of their families were amazing and supportive, others were invisible or even downright cruel and I’m afraid the same was true of hcps too. Some of the ways aids patients - and their partners - were treated was absolutely abominable! I can assure you what we’ve seen so far is TAME! The segregation was the least of it!

@HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone might have been true in some parts (and FOR the photos?) wasn't true everywhere ime.

HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone · 22/01/2021 22:56

gideonmendel.com/the-ward/
It was the Broderip and Charles Bell wards in London's Middlesex Hospital - Broderip was the first AIDS ward, opened by Diana, in 1987, where she was photographed shaking hands with a patient without gloves. That patient later died, as did the patients in Mendel's photos. It was still a death sentence. It wouldn't surprise me at all that that ward was the exception rather than the norm. In the Diana pic, the patient had his back to the camera to remain anonymous, because the stigma was great.
I am going to watch Graham Norton, have a Brew then watch episode 2. no willpower whatsoever

Jellykat · 22/01/2021 22:57

Yes Homeschooler 'being careful' meant condom wearing at all times.. my gay friends were rampant, yes we all were up until it really hit, but while for most of us it was one night stands, they'd shag 3/4 guys at the park of an evening, go up to one of Freddie Mercurys parties at the weekend shag more, and do it all over again the following week.
It was par for the course, as was Amyl Nitrate in the clubs, not shocking, they were young and beautiful, we loved dressing up and fun, but they didn't protect themselves until it was too late...

HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone · 22/01/2021 22:58

Oh and Flowers Wine to you graphista for the work you did/do.

HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone · 22/01/2021 23:06

I am very sorry for your losses jelly I wasn't saying you were wrong btw, just to be clear, I was simply musing that the psychology of behavioural change and attitudinal change isn't as clear cut as we think it is or would like it to be iyswim. Hope you are okay x

Jellykat · 22/01/2021 23:37

No worries Homeschooler, i think of them whenever i hear The Weather girls 'its raining men' and smile, they did the most fantastic lip syncing to it! gorgeous boys.. it did take a long time for the government to act as you said, even the hard hitting ad wasn't until what '87? by that time it was too late for my friends..

Graphista · 22/01/2021 23:51

Thanks but I was only doing my job at the time. If anything I was frustrated I could provide nothing more than palliative care. Things have improved greatly.

Yea I'm not surprised a prominent London hospital was doing things a little better. I was very much NOT in London but a not too long train ride away. But VERY outdated, homophobic and discriminatory attitudes and behaviour by staff and the patient's friends/family in far too many instances.

I remember my first was while I was a student, by then we knew how it spread yet I was still being told to triple glove etc which I ignored. I got told off for sitting with this patient on my lunch break, I'd had a quick lunch in the staff canteen then came down to sit and chat with him cos he'd said that was when he felt loneliest, mealtimes. His family had disowned him years before, had been informed but didn't visit or even inquire about him. Friends gradually disappeared, partly I think as not wanting to face their own possible future in some cases? There's a somewhat rose tinted portrayal that the gay community "pulled together" at this time - not always the case. A lot of them just didn't want to know. A lot of denial going on.

Basis of the telling off? By just being in the room with him for any length of time I was supposedly putting myself AND "innocent patients" (yes that is verbatim AND was said in front of the patient!) at risk by such behaviour.

This was how people behaved then.

Regarding my own sexual behaviour, well the whole "scare" hit just as I was becoming a teen, by the time I was 16 transmission routes were well known and as @HomeschooIerRockthemicrophone says it was a death sentence still with even the supposed treatments being very hit and miss, plus people avoided being tested not only because of the stigma but because having such a thing on your medical records could very well lead to your not getting certain jobs, credit, life assurance, homes, or even medical treatment (there was a spate of dentists certainly private dentists refusing to treat anybody that they knew to be hiv positive that I was certainly aware of)

I have to say I feel that now we've gone too far the other way and treat it with far too much complacency.

Certainly I feel younger generations are very blasé about sexual health.

I've been tested a couple of times due to incidents but thankfully was always negative. Not an experience anyone should have to go through but too many do.

Graphista · 22/01/2021 23:54

@Jellykat so sorry for your losses. Govts and media were far too slow to act, mainly I think due to prejudice not only homophobia but also towards iv drug users who were very much seen as lost causes

bluetongue · 23/01/2021 00:29

I’ve seen the first episode and loved it. Won’t lie, I had a few tears at the end.

I saw Olly Alexander on Graham Norton and he really sold it to me. Love Ritchie Smile

JaneJeffer · 23/01/2021 01:57

I liked Neil Patrick Harris and the Welsh guy but I find the rest of them really annoying.

yaboo · 23/01/2021 02:29

it's brilliant... binged it, just finished now... defo worth watching