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The Crown Series 4

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Housewife2010 · 14/10/2020 09:21

Anyone else getting excited? The Diana trailer looks great. It's on Netflix on 15th November.

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LordEmsworth · 16/11/2020 09:54

I am on ep1 and am a bit bewildered at the bit where Charles and Diana meet for the first time - she is very obviously a child, it's very uncomfortable despite the twinkly music...

Can I just distract you to recommend the 5-part series on Charles & Diana on the You're Wrong About podcast? It is excellent and I am looking forward to frowning all the way through The Crown at everything they got wrong...

Athrawes · 16/11/2020 10:01

I just watched the ships leaving Pompey to go to the Falklands and was all cold shivers.

Wherrsmaclickypen · 16/11/2020 10:11

I am at Episode 8 🤣😳

For those of us who remember all of this particular chapter in royal life and British recent history i.e. we were there - this is bound to make more challenging viewing, storyline wise, than previous series. I find it rather uncomfortable to think the current royals are watching and I quite understand why the Palace and friends are in a furore. I get that this is fiction dressed meticulously as fact but then again the producers never set out to deliver a documentary. The difficulty of course, is that for scenes to be challenged as fiction, someone will have to come forth with a more accurate account of events, which is not the Royal way.

Despite criticisms, and cries of 'foul', the handling of the 'love triangle' is necessary and possibly more sympathetic than the actual fact. I guess the programme, along with Meghan and Harry's reputed Netflix deal, just continues the real-life circus. The script is certainly brave, and doesnt shy away from stuff - the Prince Andrew exchange with his mother about young women is absolutely wince-making, and Diana is dramatically portrayed as at first as markedly ingenue and then an increasingly difficult character.

But I am yet again blown away by the majesty (pun intended) and lavishness of the production, it is just incredible to watch.

And I am struggling to criticise any of the actors, it is an astonishing ensemble piece. I think that as real footage is still circulating, especially of Thatcher and Charles and Diana, it is inevitable that performances have a more obvious element of mimic/caricature.

I do recognise that Olivia Colman doesn't 'do' the frostiness of Foy and that her smile is tantamount to breaking character but I am enjoying watching her nonetheless, at a time when the Queen herself was resonating less with the public and the media spotlight was increasingly on her children.

Love the pp comments about the costumes - yep, thats how it was, for all of us brought up on shoulderpads, outfits, matching shoes and handbags 🤣. And agree the Fagan storyline was a clever emphasis, allowing the storytellers to juxtapose royal life with Thatchers Britain in a wholly relatable way. Looking back I realise this was absolutely the point that the Royals felt increasingly irrelevant to so many, how Diana catapulted their 'Brand' into uncharted media and public territory and thus how the cataclysmic events to follow would shake foundations and public perceptions forever.

Uncomfortable. Gripping. Enjoy!

derxa · 16/11/2020 10:19

And I am struggling to criticise any of the actors Really? The only person that is remotely believable is the Prince Charles character.
They couldn't even get Denis Thatcher right.

Sohardtochooseausername · 16/11/2020 10:19

I think this series is better than 3.

I’m very amused by GA’s MT.

derxa · 16/11/2020 10:21

I am on ep1 and am a bit bewildered at the bit where Charles and Diana meet for the first time - she is very obviously a child, it's very uncomfortable despite the twinkly music... But Diana had known the royal family her whole life.

Wherrsmaclickypen · 16/11/2020 10:21

To add, despite all the drama my outstanding takeaway has got to be those utterly dreadful oversized lacy collars and frumpy early Di outfits. Deliciously, utterly horrifying, the stuf of nightmares 🤣

LondonlovesLola · 16/11/2020 10:33

And I am struggling to criticise any of the actors

Really? The only person that is remotely believable is the Prince Charles character.
They couldn't even get Denis Thatcher right.

This! Prince Charles is well acted. The rest make it look like one of those awful low budget ‘Diana’ films.

OvaHere · 16/11/2020 10:56

I'm still enjoying it but not as much as the earlier seasons. I think it's because we are now into the territory that's living memory for me so it's easier to tell when timelines have been shifted about, events semi fictionalised or just ignored completely.

I did think they managed a decent balance between Charles and Diana and other noteworthy things happening in that era. There's a danger that the next season might get a bit repetitive if it's too heavily weighted towards the war between the couple. That said, it did really dominate the press in the 90s so it's not going to be easy. Maybe we'll get more Fergie to break it up a bit!

The actress playing Diana did a great job. I wish they could have found someone a bit taller though just for accuracies sake.

I'm a bit on the fence with Thatcher's portrayal, could have been better but also could have been a lot worse. Glad they tied it up in one season in a way, although I do think the warp speed timeline is one of the things that makes the series suffer a little compared to the slower paced earlier seasons.

I think there was too much Margaret this season, her main story was mostly over by the end of S3 and she seemed to be a bit of plot device sometimes in this one. I suppose from a production perspective they don't want to ditch the highly regarded HBC but if she had less screen time they could have fleshed out the younger set a bit better.

I like Tobias Menzies as Phillip, it's a shame he's probably going to be replaced in S5. I wasn't keen on Olivia Coleman last season but she's grown on me a bit as I got used to her. The swapping of actors takes a bit of bedding in.

Erin Doherty as Anne is also brilliant but they can't feasibly use her next season - this one was pushing it a bit because Anne must have been in her 40s going by the timeline of the latter episodes.

FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 16/11/2020 10:56

I'm just uncritically adoring this series. I don't care. I'm just wallowing in it all. Love it love it love it. DH and I binged the first 5 episodes yesterday, under blankets on the sofa with lots of tea and cake. Perfect.

Although do agree that the wonderful GA is bordering on parody at times and her hair is getting bigger every episode Still love it though.

IcedPurple · 16/11/2020 11:02

The actress playing Diana did a great job. I wish they could have found someone a bit taller though just for accuracies sake.

Emma Corrin is 1.73 or 5f 8, so only a little shorter than Diana was. I think she doesn't come across as tall because we usually see her next to Josh O'Connor who is very tall at 1.85, whereas Charles and Diana were about the same height.

OvaHere · 16/11/2020 11:40

@IcedPurple

The actress playing Diana did a great job. I wish they could have found someone a bit taller though just for accuracies sake.

Emma Corrin is 1.73 or 5f 8, so only a little shorter than Diana was. I think she doesn't come across as tall because we usually see her next to Josh O'Connor who is very tall at 1.85, whereas Charles and Diana were about the same height.

Thanks. That probably explains it. In the engagement scene she seemed a bit too short but I didn't realise Josh was quite tall - probably explains the slight slouching he seems to do whilst playing Charles, downplaying the height a bit.
Wherrsmaclickypen · 16/11/2020 11:45

@derxa

And I am struggling to criticise any of the actors Really? The only person that is remotely believable is the Prince Charles character. They couldn't even get Denis Thatcher right.
yes, really

I checked with myself just to make sure and can confirm.

I am struggling to criticise any of the actors.

🙄

longwayoff · 16/11/2020 11:59

O how I wish they'd brought out Raine Spencer. She and Maggie T in a hair lacquer at dawn scrap woul be vastly entertaining. Don your helmets ladies.

mrscampbellblackagain · 16/11/2020 12:12

I loved how the elnett had a starring role Grin

DrDavidBanner · 16/11/2020 12:17

Well I'm with FastMovingLuxuryGoods I just loved it for the trash escapism. True it is completely different to series 1 and 2, Claire Foy was just perfect as the Queen and I think anyone would struggle to replace her. I enjoyed thr actors who played Phillip, Charles and Diana, I thought they did great jobs but I ws disappointed by GA and Thatcher, such a fascinating character but I felt she played her as parody too.

The episode when they were talking about their favourites, I always thought it was obvious that Andrew was her favorite and the scene where he was talking about Coo Starks film was brilliant, no wonder the royal family hate it.

CaptainMyCaptain · 16/11/2020 12:18

@Athrawes

I just watched the ships leaving Pompey to go to the Falklands and was all cold shivers.
Me too. My ex was there with the Paras, went out on the Norland.

know they were showing the actual words of the IRA, but they way they chose to do it felt like a tribute to the IRA and almost seemed to justify the murder of Mountbatten
I didn't hear it that way. I knew what was going to happen, though, as I remember it well.

Smallsteps88 · 16/11/2020 12:22

It did surprise me that a well-known member of the royal family, with a high ranking military background, would regularly go on holidays in Ireland in the 1970s, espcially in a place close to the NI border. I believe they tried to warn him against it, but he insisted.

arrogance. plain and simple.

Those mentioning the pro IRA feel, I think that just what this show is doing. Rather than being a completely up the bum royal love fest, its showing the other side to all the events that have occurred in the timeline, like allowing us to sympathise with MT, and michael fagan for example.

CaptainMyCaptain · 16/11/2020 12:25

@derxa

I am on ep1 and am a bit bewildered at the bit where Charles and Diana meet for the first time - she is very obviously a child, it's very uncomfortable despite the twinkly music... But Diana had known the royal family her whole life.
But he never really fancied her did he? I think she was 20 when they married, I think he was required to choose a virgin so she had to be young. I remember this being said at the time.
Sabrina124 · 16/11/2020 12:25

Claire Foy was fabulous as the Queen, although I thought she was pretty awful as Anne Boleyn in Wolf Hall.

Smallsteps88 · 16/11/2020 12:28

BTW did anyone else think it totally unnecessary to have the scene of the Queen on 'the throne' and unravelling a piece of toilet roll? I understand they were showing her as unguarded and vulnerable going through her nightly ablutions but the tooth brushing would have done the job well enough.

Blobby10 · 16/11/2020 12:31

My biggest criticism of the actor playing Charles is his posture - he's terribly round shouldered whereas Charles does have a straight back. It spoils an otherwise good portrayal I think. I am finding it difficult to appreciate GA's portrayal of Margaret Thatcher - she speaks so slowly and I'm sure that in the early days, her speaking voice was much less affected. Did find the Balmoral scenes (anyone else recognise Glenbogle house?!!!) amusing as I could quite believe the Royal Family setting 'tests' for guests although I would have thought the staff would have been a bit more considerate to newbies - for instance, wouldn't the lady commenting on MT lack of outdoor shoes suggest that borrowing a pair would be a great idea?

CaptainMyCaptain · 16/11/2020 12:33

@Sabrina124

Claire Foy was fabulous as the Queen, although I thought she was pretty awful as Anne Boleyn in Wolf Hall.
Her execution scene was brilliantly done. It still gives me the shivers thinking about it.
Smallsteps88 · 16/11/2020 12:44

Im just watching the scene where Diana danced in the theatre for Charles birthday. Did that really happen like that? with that song? if so, how unbelievably hurtful of her to do that. poor Charles.

Rinoachicken · 16/11/2020 12:55

@Smallsteps88

Yes it did and yes I agree - it was all about her by this point.

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