KILLING EVE 3. Starts MONDAY 13th April - iPlayer thread - NO SPOILERS

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I can’t wait

I don't really know what to say about the last episode. Ending as a bit meh. How Konstantin is ever going to come back from that pleading! Loved the way he called out for V and she just sat there enjoying herself. Enjoyed the scrap on the Underground. That link was a good read. I think I'm going to binge watch all the series to see if I can understand it a bit more.

Gosh that was disappointing. Whole series has been plotless terribly meandering.

Agree.

What a limp reveal about Kenny. Why were they even on the roof?

Bitter Pill seemed pointless apart from being the place that provided the camera evidence of Konstantin coming to see Kenny. But as a pp says, why did it take him so long to 'remember' he had a secret camera?

the strange reappearance of Kenny's colleague/secret girlfriend. I can't remember that at all! Who was that?

I don't really care if there's another series or not. Which is sad seeing

I think she was the one who offered Carolyn a cup of tea. Last seen crying in the toilet and one other scene outside?
The relationship between V and K is an interesting one - he has been shown as a better handler than Raymond and others and a paternal figure/father figure but he enabled Dasha's abuse of her (gauging that from hospital scene). They neither fully trust one another nor have each other's back but always come back to each other. I thought he was fond of her. She saying he wasn't family was a bit of a stab in the back. She knows he took the millions so we'll see whether she passes on that info or not.

What a load of shite. V just beating and kicking someone on to the line on the underground in plain view?! K and Kenny on the roof?!

Just a load of codswallop.

Thanks Robux. I remember the tea scene now but oddly can't remember the crying in the toilet I must have watched it with my head in a paper bag.

The only worthwhile part of last episode was Villanelle’s beautiful coat. Whole series was a disappointment. First series was the best.

The gf worked at Bitter Pill and was in it early on in the series but no one really acknowledged her after Kenny died. I wonder if she was meant to have taken some time off to grieve?

First series was the best. Yep. It's very significant that that was the only one Phoebe WB had a major part in.

Robux I think The 12 have kept K because they needed Villanelle and he was the only one with influence over her (i.e. the only handler/rival she hasn't killed!), and of course his past with Carolyn made him an indispensible double agent, he can appear 'unobtrusive and i"uthreatening".
RE MI6, I think they did want her to kill, she'd be too volatile as a double agent, can't control her violent impulses even now (why the heck did she need to kill the other woman assassin - that was disappointing as the Roach's character had somew promise, but it did show that she can't be controlled, so no good for MI6.

Thank GOD Geraldine's been kicked out - what an irritation she'd been!
I thought the final ep was so much better than the last three, and it had to end at that - tut!

Now that Caorlyn is my favourite, I love how she led the whole episode and she's always surprising when she's physically threatening (in the car with K and this time) - more used to her being the intellectual and the boss, so it's an extra dimension.

CashewNut yeah I'm at a loss as to what they will do re Eve and Villanelle in the next series. V has lost her drive for killings, but she still craves money and still 'loves' Eve (I think they went ott in the last ep showing how deeply emotional V is about Eve, rather than playful as before) - tbh it's not really believeable from either her or Eve. Sexual tension and fascination - yes, but deep love? V is still very childish in other aspects, so this just doesn;t gell for me as a character.

Could NOT walk away from each other so that shows they'll team up in the next series. But to do what - convince Carolyn to chase the 12 as a team? Would C be interested after taking revenge for Kenny? she might be if provoked in some other way.

K in Cuba - poor guy needs a rest! No doubt his daughter will feature - don't want that at all, but it's coming. She'll prob be recruited by the 12. She;s so irritating with that sharp voice and overacted 'Im bad' thing - why get a child actress involved at all?

Anyway I can't imagine they'll be going down the route of grand love and V becoming a 'really good person' , it won't be the same show! I wonder who will write the next one, they do have a different wrioter every time.

Agree that explanation for Kenny's myrder was adisappointment. I think it was supposed to be Konstantin originally and for Carolyn to shoot him. But they ]ve decided to do anuther series so couldn;t think of anything else.

Robux to be fair Eve only feel a thrill for murder of it's personal/revenge, she's never be a paid assassin. I did enjoy V cringing at Dasha's salivating about the killing process , that's who really did enjoy the kills, in a simple, gritty way.
But yes, I was just wondering in my other post about Eve and V. I can only see then taking on the 12 again after a breezer, what else?

*feels a thrill...if it's personal/revenge

She knows he took the millions so we'll see whether she passes on that info or not.
Eve knows it too - so will the 12 after this.

First series was the best well it was novel and fresh so in some way easier to be surprising. But yes, W-B is brill though I'm sure she's been involved since.

I actually loved series 2, the last couple of eps were such classic Killing Eve - I thought Aaron and V was one of the best/funniest angle of the show (and quite thrilling at the time, both unpredicatble), and I loved the whole Rome filming. And they were the outfits! I also liked Hugo. AND there was a properly erotic Eve-V scene when Eve had the earpiece in.

^ I agree Cat I liked a lot of series 2. This one has been so dull and the new characters given very little personality.

I too loved Konstantin calling out for Villanelle at the end. I love K but Carolyn killing him would have been so much more interesting in a way. What would happen to Villanelle?

Jodie Comer is so brilliant at switching between accents so seamlessly.

Carolyn I think it was planned for C to kill him (for actually pushing Kenny) as this was supposed to the last series - but had to come up with smth as K is too popular. But it was very disappointing, the Kenny angle. For me this series was very patchy - hated the V's family ep and some were too slow-paced, but not complaining too much as Carolyn was very centre-stage in several eps.

So what was the point of this series

To find out who the 12 were

To steal millions

And Kenny. So he fell

And yes is eve now a killer as tried fo kill darsha As did eve

Yet in the end k killed her

So what was the point of this series?
To find out Who killed Kenny?!
Premise has changed somewhat from series 1
Series 1 - pursue Villanelle
Series 2 - pursue Ghost/manipulate Villanelle to assassinate Aaron
Series 3 - investigate Kenny's death/narrative of K and V wanting ''out''
Were Helene and Paul two members of the 12 or just working for?
I would have gone for the 12 being the G12 member states but I do like the fan theory that Dozen Incorporated refers to the assassins themselves --villain, A B C D etc Villain L being the twelfth member.

Did I misunderstand or in the end, was Carolyn one of the 12? The way she phoned someone to 'clean up a suicide' having shot Steve Pemberton and said she was responsible for Kenny's death?

Definitely didn't follow the plot this series and was bored by a lot of it. Don't think I'll bother with any 4th series. It's lost all its wit.

First series was the best well it was novel and fresh so in some way easier to be surprising. But yes, W-B is brill though I'm sure she's been involved since.

IMO it was markedly better in terms of dialogue and ideas, not just novel. W-B is just an exec producer now, so has some influence but I'd guess isn't directly involved in writing or anything, and it shows.

Did I misunderstand or in the end, was Carolyn one of the 12? The way she phoned someone to 'clean up a suicide' having shot Steve Pemberton and said she was responsible for Kenny's death?

It was hinted in series 1 that she was (meeting V in prison and Kenny being asked if he was scared of her) and I had read a fan theory that she had issued the hit on her own son but even if he had become ''too close'' that would be hard to take/make the grief scenes guilt scenes...others have said she could be one of the 12 but someone else ordered the hit on her son.
I had assumed she was on the phone to mi6 clean up operatives at the end - that Paul would be blamed for embezzlement (because he committed suicide) so that let K off the hook for season 4.
Mi6 might then revert the decision not to investigate the 12 anymore if one of their own (Paul) had been a member.
Carolyn thought Kenny's death was her fault as she had brought him into the investigation to start with, which he refused to let go of.
but there was a radio times article which puts forward your theory...
www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-06-01/killing-eve-season-three-finale-twist/

revert? reverse!

Or maybe revert! There are others who also think that originally the finale would have been C shooting K but this was changed when recommissioned.
It was not renewed until 3rd January though so not sure production could have changed track just like that.

Thanks Robux I thought I had probably misunderstood; I found most of this series utterly opaque! Yes I don't think even Carolyn would be capable of ordering a hit on her son. Even if she were part of the 12, someone else would have ordered it (but she might have blamed herself for being connected).

I think they possibly don't want us to understand it, then it doesn't have to make sense .

Just re-watching series 2 and enjoying the killings all over again. The red-light district one in Amsterdam, Aaron Peel's and Raymond's in particular. But still don't understand everyone's relationship to Konstantin. Eve looks horrified every time she sees him and I can never remember if V likes him or hates him.

Did I misunderstand or in the end, was Carolyn one of the 12?

No, don't think so, would be too predictable in a way. It's nice to keep Carolyn 'neat' as an MI6 loyalist who must be allowed individual / questionable choices to be remain loyal.

Intermittent

IMO it was markedly better in terms of dialogue and ideas, not just novel. I didn't mean it in a dismissive way at all, it was a very novel show/idea in the first place and developed by W-B with great wit. But if she was still writing, she'd struggle too a bit by series 3 - it's not the kind of original formula that's easy to maintain long-term, very niche. you get acclimatised to the shocks - I think they've dome well still to retain some shock value.
But W-B would never have gone the 'deep emotions' route with Villanelle, imo - rightly so! She can do it (Fleabag) but it sort of spoils this show but it's pretty impossible to continue in the vein of series 1 and 2 as you can't maintain the surprise and wit level in that context, so I see it as clutching at straws - them trying to turn it into some soul searching drama.
So I hope series 4 is not going to be about V being transformed by her love for Eve into a totally different character - especially as they are trying to artificially deepen that grand love which is baseless, they hardly even talk to each other. Sexual attraction and cat-and -mouse worked perfectly, but again had limits.