Deadwater Fell

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Has anyone watched this?

just caught up with these two episodes on catch up.
the car crash was after the beach.
i hadnt realised the man sticking up for Kate was the teacher, we assumed he was her brother.
did not like the lack of people at Kate's funeral.
Did Kate always drink too much?
i didnt like the IVF lady's suspicious looks to DT. bit silly having her husband call her to tell her It Was Tom. jump to conclusions much, after believing the words of the young tearaway.
I think it was the young boy,
that or both parents,
since Tom was the one who survived the injection/fire so either he gave it to himself last, otoh perhaps he survived since he was heavier.

charlotte is in a wheelchair because she has cerebal palsy

Kate was banned for a year for the drink driving accident.

Tom and Jess do have needles. Might be something worth recalling.

Two other (unimportant) things I wondered about:

Do many men in their early 20s actually wear briefs?

Do many people in their 30s have cups and saucers? (Ok with this one we don't know where Tom was being interviewed- I assumed Jess and Policeman's because Jess was there. But Tom's mum did say ome the phone to Jess she was to collect him from.someone and sombody's .

Actually that's just made me recall. Tom got into bed, but was then in the shower (with the bathroom door open) not long after.

Yes, we know about Charlotte having cerebral palsy. But jess has been the only character to actually say it, all other comments have been "after Charlotte..." etc. (Hence why there was a discussion on here as if Charolte was only in a wheel chair after the crash.)

Don't think Jess already had the year's ban. It was very much a "she knew it would probably only be a fine and year's ban". An assumption as no one was killed or injured

I thought Jess was giving the small boy an injection too. But then I read on here that it was a dressing change.

yes, i thought i saw an injection to the boy too, followed by a dressing change.
kate had pnd

Tom's mother may not have thought very much of either parents,
Why was no one watching her, she fell, when the girl, was it Charlotte, fell on the beach.

Yes i don't think the case had come to court yet. And that Tom was playing down the fact that Kate might have been worried by saying she'd only get a fine. And the police replied "and a year's ban". I think they were projecting that that would be the most likely outcome when it did come to court. Not that it had already come to court

And yes....would a body that was implicit in an unresolved murder case be allowed to be cremated. I would have thought that none of thr bodies would have been released yet

Kate was not banned for a year for the driving accident - the case hadn't come to court yet. The police put it forward as a possible reason for Kate's stress/depression that might have pushed her over the edge. DT brushed it off and said she wasn't worried about it.

All the talk of "she was fine on the day ... you wouldn't know" was about the day of the fire, not the beach/car crash day. On the day of the fire the whole village went to the Ceilidh, perhaps it was the end of term? There was a shot of Kate and DT walking home with the girls and he says something like "it was a great day?" and she says "perfect".

Just thought. Jess commented about the police detectives being at the girls's funeral. Policeman (struggling to recall his name) said it was normal. Where they at Kate's?

My big questions are:

What was in the little zip up bag you saw DT putting in his doctors bag the very first time you saw him? Before the cycle race came through the village. Hmmm.

Why did Jess lie to DT and say she hadn't told the police about having sex with him. When she had literally just done so and submitted a written statement about it? Surely she couldn't hope to keep that secret from him?

Why did Dylan lie about which parent he saw in the woods? Or did he??? We saw Kate but we don't see everything.

I think Kate knew about DT shagging Jess. I think she may have found out during the phone call on the beach and that's why she went from happy to raging in an instant and why she was so chippy with Jess in the car just seconds before losing control of it.

As someone noted we haven't met the counsellor yet. This is going to be one of those annoying programmes where a psychopath hoves into view a few episodes in.

I got the impression that Jess lied to Tom in the car about telling the police as a natural instinct to keep her safe at that moment. I think she was starting to feel unsafe in his presence.

I'm not sure how this is going to go.

I feel it's too early in the day for Tom to be arrested and it be him. There has to be a twist.

For a moment I thought that he was going to keep Jess hostage and the story would be about how she (and his mum) get away from him. But nope.

But Kate being the killer has it's flaws too. I also don't like the idea of her PND making her so unhinged that she would that. I also can't see how the night panned out. How would she drug her husband without a struggle?

He said he went up after her. But weren't they both in clothes? So they hadn't gone to bed, although he was found on the bed.

What was the timeline on the night? What time did Jess get up with her stepson and see the fire.

Tom told the police that they went straight home and she took the children straight up to bed then he went up 15 minutes later. So that's earlier in the evening surely? When was all the running around in the woods? It was dark by then and it was summer so it would be late.

So he must be lying about the train of events.

It does make laugh how involved I've gotten with this. I don't actually think it's written that well.
But I've had a hard week and it's a bit of escapism

Maybe the injections are going to be a red herring eg they were all getting allergy testing or vaccinations for a holiday - because no-one has mentioned how someone could have injected DT without him knowing.

A PP said about Tom and Kate going to bed as normal the night of the fire. They had not gone to bed. Both were still dressed. The bed was still made.

Tom was lying on his back on the diagonal across the bed, and Kate was in the hall.

They had the same clothes on that they had worn to the dance. Including jumpers for both of them.

The cups and saucers were at Kate's Parents bungalow. That was where he was interviewed.

I also thought Dillon's pants were strange. Looked oversized too. He had lost the rest of his clothes. Perhaps he swiped these off a clothes line, although I think he was past it to care.

The interpretation of words relating to 'they were already dead' and 'she was fine on the day' just go to show the ambiguity of language and highlights how we all jump to conclusions.

The phone call to Carol (Tom's Mum) was silent. I don't think Kate world call her over her own parents who seem lovely. It could have been Emily making the call even, but possibly Tom just wanting to hear his Mother's voice one last time. This was at 11:15 pm iirc. The call to emergency services was 15 minutes later. Plenty of time for the woods scene.

Jess got to the fire before the emergency service so that gives their timeline.

Most injections are given into muscle or just under the skin. The crook of the elbow would be into a vein so used to draw blood or give a quick bolus of drug, like heroin. There were two little marks on each of them for what I could see. Very odd.

The mention of the counsellor is a spoiler surely? Has this been mentioned in the programme, or just the credits? I don't like spoilers. I didn't think that was what the thread was for.

So what do we know? Or what information do we have about the night of the fire? Unreliable or not.

We know..
Early evening , when it was light.
Family go home after a good day out.

Tom says..(potentially lying)..
That Kate takes the kids straight up as they were tired, no bath.
And he went 15 minutes later.

Later on..(when its dark)
Emily (?) seen by Dylan running through the woods followed by Kate. Lies that it was Tom. (why?)

Later on...(middle of the night?)
Jess gets up with child and sees the fire.

Kate found first on the floor (which room?) and brought out but dead.
Tom saved second, on bed fully dressed and survived.
Kids locked in bedroom with a lock on the outside (seemingly bought/stolen by Kate) didn't survive. Had injection marks in arms.

Fire started in kitchen.

Hmmm... interesting mes amies. *twirls Poirot style moustache

Ooh good call in the time of the phone call to Carol and emergency services being called 15 minute later. I'd forgotten that.
*throws away Poirot credentials and waxes moustache

We’ve all got so into it - it must have something to have got us intrigued to this degree!

The little boy of the other family was getting a plaster on the inside of his elbow. What had he done?