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Deadwater Fell

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CassandrasCastle · 06/01/2020 10:56

Has anyone watched this?

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CheekyFucker · 18/01/2020 20:08

@ChipInTheSugar good catch! That makes sense. I had not noticed that.

ktel1 · 18/01/2020 20:29

This whole time the finger of suspicion has been pointing at Tom.

It "has" to be him or Kate based on method and opportunity. (you'd think)

Even when they were playing up Kate's depression, meds, drinking etc in episode 1 it still didn't feel like she did it.

Now in episode 2 the suspicion is landing squarely on Tom, and now he's going to be arrested for it.

So it really does feel like it's a question of which one of them did it.

The method behind it is the most perplexing- injections and fire and whether they are perhaps separate incidents

Motive still to be revealed.

So are the last 2 episodes going to swing between the two of them or is someone else going to be thrown into the mix?

We haven't seen the counsellor yet have we?

I don't know why but I get a bad vibe about Tessa Simon's wife.

Also don't forget that MIL would likely have keys for the home as she used to stay there to look after the kids when Kate was having a hard time.

CheekyFucker · 18/01/2020 21:13

I have just finished my second viewing. I took particular notice of his eyes in the video footage (shudder). His eyes seemed pretty steady right until the last moment in the second video, when he looked slightly to the right.

The Policeman had a text at the funeral to say there was a pathology review at 2pm so I assume forensics point towards him as well, because he was arrested after dark. He knew they were coming for him I think.

hazandduck · 18/01/2020 21:13

Oh god yes it’s obvious now he must’ve been reading a message! I kept saying to DH “does he not realise he’s on selfie mode!”

CheekyFucker · 18/01/2020 21:34

I don't think he was reading a message as there was no flicker in his eyes. Even reading this on MN my eyes move quite a bit. He has really big almost black eyes. Not liking him at all.

ktel1 · 18/01/2020 21:39

I do think he was looking at something on the screen it could be an image,video or email

There's really no other reason for him to look intently at it.

hazandduck · 18/01/2020 21:56

It was just really weird, he went from being fun dad to really creepy stare. Have they got all these videos from his phone?

CheekyFucker · 18/01/2020 21:57

Unless it is just him being very vain. Or did he know someone would view the footage after the event and wanted to look sinister?

Graphista · 18/01/2020 22:05

@bumblenbean - yes he doesn’t shy away from playing unsympathetic characters at all.

“I wondered whether what we're seeing is an unreliable narrative?” Thought crosses my mind too.

Another point to consider WE know Tom a wrong ‘un but the other characters didn’t/don’t aside from the wee glimpse Jess and Steve have now had but infidelity isn’t unusual.

Maybe it’s not going to be a murder mystery but a drama about coercive control? The advertising isn’t specific “whodunnit” type.

My understanding of the discussion of the pending drink driving case was she was EXPECTING a fine and a years ban based on sentencing guidelines and possibly Steve’s knowledge of what the local judges are like.

“He was angry with her before, when she was doing nothing wrong. He was nasty.” But not in a public way ever - always covert, insidious - publicly he always played “the nice guy”

“That scene where Jess has sex with Tom is awful” agreed deeply impersonal

CheekyFucker · 18/01/2020 22:21

What is the point of an unreliable narrative? In 'The Affair' (TV show) there are several narratives, all slightly different due to viewpoint, but we have only had the one narrative here.

peanutfoldover · 18/01/2020 22:27

I’ve just caught up!

Did I get it right that Dylan said Tom ran after emily in the Forest when we saw that it was actually Kate? He’s probably not a reliable witness but why would he lie about that? Is he trying to frame Tom or protect him? Does he have beef with Tom? Is he his GP? Could Tom have been abusing him somehow?

We’re definitely being led to believe Tom is guilty aren’t we. He is being painted as a controlling, cheating, gaslighting and manipulative man. Possibly even abusive to his children too, hence Emily running away. It seems almost too obvious and straight forward at this point.

I still can’t work out why he’d allow himself to be injected by kate.

I thought Jess’ question “What did she say at the end?” was a bit odd. At the end of what?? The end of their lives??? As she was injecting him? As she was starting the fire?

Why hasn’t he said exactly what he can remember happening that night?

Jess does seem completely innocent now though. Although slightly too calm about the whole thing?? I’d be a gibbering wreck in her shoes. However, her shock on the night of the fire and realisation about Tom as the story unfolds seems genuine and only for ‘us’ the viewers to see. I feel like we’re supposed to be on her side and that she is the person working it all out with us. Unless, again that’s a bluff.

Her admission to having sex with him.... maybe she thought it better to admit that and frame it as him being controlling before he told the police in order to frame her as a jealous lover?

Oh dear, my theory that it’s the other GP seems completely off the money now!!

Toms mum seems like a very downtrodden women. Like she’s scared of him almost.

Simon could be a tad suspicious too. He seemed more upset and angry about the girls than anyone. Why?? And why did he instantly blame Tom? What does he know??

KatyCarrCan · 18/01/2020 22:27

I've just realised DT must have been lying about his wife putting the girls straight to bed and the girls being asleep when he went upstairs because the little girl ran through the woods in her night dress.

CheekyFucker · 18/01/2020 22:52

We certainly do seem to be being fed the the narrative through a 'Jess filter'. Most, but not all scenes are with her in it.

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/01/2020 22:56

Seems too obvious to be to TOM tho he is a gas lighting unfaithful bully

Kate would protect her kids hence maybe the locking in bedroom

So think the killer is someone else

Gawd knows who

Steala · 18/01/2020 22:58

If Kate was planning a murder-suicide, she could have eaten as many points/complex carbs as she had wanted. Buying a padlock suggests premeditation, but not necessarily by her, if she was asked to buy it.

peanutfoldover · 18/01/2020 23:06

I think Kate was being massively gaslighted by Tom. Her paranoia would be completely out of control. She wouldn’t know who to trust, not even herself. I think the padlocks would be a symptom of that.

The only thing I feel confident about is that she is not the killer.

CheekyFucker · 18/01/2020 23:30

I keep thinking about what Tom said to Kate on the beach. 'Go. And take the children with you.' I am wondering if she did. Literally.

I think it is because everyone is thinking that she couldn't possibly be guilty, that she is. Just to prove a point that we all assume it is the Dad. We always assume that.

The way she looked at the fire. Running after Emily and grabbing her so calmly. Perhaps Emily woke up and realised what Mummy was doing, so tried to run away.

stumbledin · 18/01/2020 23:59

Its funny the hints in scenes that make your mind go off - in the wrong direction.

I was sure that when we saw Jess tending to the young boy she was giving him an injection and we were meant to think oh she knows how to do that. But then everyone else says she is dressing burns. And I am fairly sure we saw her and her husband at home and there is no way she could have slipped out, injection 5 people, set a fire and got home without looking ruffled.

Its not wonder I never follow things well as my mind obviously easily rushes off into pointless detours from what is actually going on! Blush

DarkDarkNight · 19/01/2020 00:02

I completely missed the part where Tom said ‘they were already dead’ when talking to the Detectives. I’ve had to restore the second episode to my planner to watch that again. Why did nobody seem shocked at that? Was it mentioned by anyone else?

If he knew his Children were dead why would he go to bed as normal? Why did Dylan lie?

I don’t think it has anything to do with Jess. She seems genuinely scared of and creeped out by Tom. She couldn’t get out of his mum’s house fast enough.

SushiGo · 19/01/2020 00:13

I agree, I don't think it's been marketed as a mystery, it is Tom, the story is how his controlling behaviour/ domestic violence was so hidden that Kate's best friend only starts to realise after the murders.

I wonder if Kate was planning to leave that night. Maybe she drugged the children to keep them quiet when she got them in the car, but Tom caught her and murdered them all instead of letting them go.

The fire started in the kitchen, to get rid of evidence there?

ClarkGriswoldsChristmastree19 · 19/01/2020 01:06

Could they have made a suicide pact?

Piggywaspushed · 19/01/2020 07:21

I am not sure a non whodunit drama about coercive control would be called Deadwater Fell. That's a murder mystery name. TV has to be pretty responsible, too, so I think we would get those 'if you have been affected by any of the issues' announcements afterwards.

ChipInTheSugar · 19/01/2020 07:48

I think the "they were already dead" statement is DT's realisation with hindsight, and current knowledge of what had happened. He went upstairs, saw the girls with their eyes closed, assumed they were all asleep, but now 'knows' (or, more likely, wants to sustain the narrative of Kate being guilty) that they were already dead.

Breathmiller · 19/01/2020 08:01

l think Tom is a horrible character, a nasty, coercive, abusive controlling man.
But why if he wanted to kill his wife and children would he risk his own life so much? There was no guarantee that someone would come and save him if he was also drugged and left in a burning house? Was he drugged? Do we know Kate was too? Or just the children for sure?

Could he have been giving Dylan drugs? He was a bit of a pusher. Giving wine to Kate and even saying to Jess that as her GP that one drink wouldn't harm her. Is it significant that he's her GP?

I'm interested why Dylan would lie? Why is he such a messed up kid?

Why did Jess agree with Tom to the police that Kate was 'fine on the day' ? Did they mean 'fine' on the day of the beach and car crash? because she clearly wasnt . Or did they mean the day of the fire?

What's the timeline do we think? It seems strange if it was only a day or two after a car crash, rolling over with kids in the car that no one was shaken up more. Or injured? Was the beach/car crash day a while before the fire day. (Although not long enough for it to have come to court yet)

So many questions. Grin

I agree with a PP that Tom's mum seems scared of him.
I had wondered originally if her saying by his bedside at the hospital that " it might be better if he dies too" that she meant how awful for him to wake up and realise his whole family are dead but now I'm not sure. Maybe she knows he's always been a bad'un.

I strangely don't want it to be Jess.

I wish it wasn't weekly , i would have happily binge watched it last night. I like things like The Handmaids Tale being weekly because I need time to process more complicated themes but something like this I'd happily watch it all in one go, find out whodunnit and let it go.

Squigean · 19/01/2020 08:06

I can't figure out why Kate was cremated (ignoring the fact both her and the girls' bodies were released so quick from post mortem in a unresolved suspected murder case.)

But Kate being cremated means absolutely no way of checking anything again.

It could well be Tom, and the rest be able trying to prove it. My other suspect is Tom's mother: she seems so downtrodden but also caustic, critical and controlling (moving in for a few months, the barped comments about girls waiting for her when she was in the garden with Jess. Also on the beach blaming just Kate about Charlotte falling.)

If Tom's innocent the only 'they were dead' comment is probably him looking at it with hindsight. More I've just realised they were actually dead at that point.

Lots of things being hinted at but no explanation. Including Charlotte being in a wheelchair and why. It has only been Jess who actually said the reason.

Also all the drinking/driving case. It hadn't happened yet. I took it to mean she was fine as about her appearance of drinking. As in Tom saying they didn't know at the beach she was over the limit. Yet Tom pushed the glass of wine at her, encouraged her to drink it then immediately told her to leave with the children. Happy with someone drinking and driving with his children. (Jess on the other hand raised concern about Tom having driven when he came in drunk. She raised that at a point where their relationship was strained.)