Deadwater Fell

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Has anyone watched this?

I hope it’s not the head teacher as his speech to the children was very moving and it would make it all insincere, which would be very cynical.

Cheekyfucker it was the calm, resigned way they both heard him, decided whose turn it was, and were so laid back about it. It reminded me of my ds as a toddler, trotting in our room most nights to say " Monsters in my room! " I like that theory that he had heard Jess up and about though. But would she have sounded the alert when she spotted the fire if she wanted them dead?

Maybe the policeman's son said burglar because he saw someone going into Tom & Kate's house.....

I agree that the ‘weigh in’ at slimming world conversation was significant. She said she’d do anything to leave the house (why? What is she escaping?) and she clearly doesn’t have a weight problem.

Right, I need to watch this again.

Well I was knitting and kept missing bits, so I have no idea if my DH is right - but he thinks that DT was the one locked in the bedroom by his wife because he is a pedophile and she was trying to keep the kids safe....sounds nuts to me, but as I said, I kept missing bits - was i t actually clear who was sleeping in the locked room?

Also DH has a terrible track record for getting the right murderer!

@mrscatbaker I think the padlock was on the girl's bedroom though.

Regarding the locked padlock on the bedroom door:

Who put on the padlock?

We know the mother bought it so it's likely it was put on by either her or the father.

Why was it used?

To keep them inside to protect them - possible sleep walking .

To keep others out- as a protection or to prevent someone saving them.

If it was some sort of murder/suicide scenario.

You inject the children and your spouse. You lock the children in. Then you inject yourself.

Assuming the injections are a sedative (we don't know this yet) and that everyone will be killed by smoke inhalation presumably .

Why would you only lock the children away?

This would mean that you're creating a situation where you and your spouse could be saved once someone raises the alarm but makes it unlikely the children will survive.

Wasn't Kate lying on a bed when the policeman went in? And Tom on the floor?

Who did we see unlock the door to the bedroom that was covered in clear sheeting? And when? I'd assumed that was after the fire had taken place but that seems unlikely given that it looked as if it had been freshly decorated.

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Kate was lying in the hall and the dad was on the bed

We didn't see the kids room being unlocked- presumably that was done by the firemen .

The scene with forensics was afterwards. It was untouched by the fire

Thanks ktel1

The child’s bedroom we saw forensics in was indeed untouched by the fire, which suggests the girls weren’t in there when they burnt to death. I’m wondering if it’s meant to be Charlotte’s room but as she requires crutches or a wheelchair, she can’t get up or down the stairs by herself so they’ve had to move her bedroom downstairs. And the padlock is because it’s too painful for Kate and/or Tom to look at but they weren’t ready to let go of the hope of Charlotte walking ‘properly‘? Especially if the hope was crushed by Kate’s car accident.

Charlotte was on crutches before the car accident, and we’ve only seen her in the wheelchair after, so I think it’s likely there was a possibility of her being able to walk unaided in the future before the accident, but the accident put paid to that. Kate/Tom expecting Charlotte to make progress and walk, perhaps thinking she’s more mobile than she was would tie in with Carol, Kate’s MIL, being (over-)protective. At the beach Carol said there should have bern someone with Charlotte at the beach when she fell over; maybe the tension between Carol and Kate was because Carol thought Kate had an unrealistic expectation of Charlotte’s physical capabilities.

I think Tom was nasty to Kate but I don’t think he’s the murderer.

And yeah Jess telling Kate she didn’t need to go to Weight Watchers/Slimming World and being surprised she was still going is definitely a clue!

I don't think the children necessarily burned to death. The smoke would have done it even without the fire reaching the room.

True although again, that child(ren)’s room looked pristine and untouched by smoke damage.

I don’t think the children were in there.

We need to know the cause of death of the girls and the mother and the contents of the injections .

Right now there's an assumption that the injections were sedatives and cause of death was smoke inhalation but we don't know that.

That assumption is partly based on lack of concrete information to the contrary and some comments made during the episode.

It may be misleading.

Surely Tom will remember being injected and who did it? Wouldn’t he have at least put up a fight? So I’m tempted to think he did it.

The others are all possibly easily manipulated. Kate, by then, might have been so drunk she didn’t or couldn’t put up a fight. The kids would probably just trust their daddy.

(Although the hounds of hell wouldn’t be able to get anywhere near my DD with a needle, least of all me or DH!)

As someone said earlier , it's a small community so the culprit is likely one of the people we've already seen -they all appear to be quite close.

Outside of the extended family members you have the teacher and his wife, the doctor etc.

The obvious suspicion is cast on the parents but if it was someone else then it's a fairly small group.

When I was watching the scene of the fire rescue I was thinking that whoever did it is there .

I noticed that everyone except the teachers wife was doing something trying to help in some way.

She hardly moved and didn't really participate.

It doesn't mean she's guilty necessarily but it stood out .

peanutfoldover- exactly, he's the sole survivor/witness.

So either he did it and will try and blame his wife, or his wife actually did it or someone from outside the home did it

It still doesn't explain how someone managed to inject him

That's where the possibility of sedation before then comes in to play - in this case he wouldn't actually know who did it but he might make assumptions.

Finally seen and read thread

Not sure why so many find it complicated who is who - tho I’m rubbish with names

Dt gp Who was having an affair with wife’s bf - May have been years ago.

Wife Depressed possibly after birth of Charlotte

Bf works in school. Found her pot tin

Hubby police man

Bf is doing ivf hence injections

Maybe had sex with dt to get preg ?

Policeman went up ladder and found door padlocked at top so carried on

Agree girls room looked very clean and unsmoked - surely would be a bit black due to smoke

Dt woke up From coma and seemed to blame wife

And def watch with subtitles

They do like to mumble

Looking forward to Friday

But Jess sleeping with DT to get pregnant doesn’t make sense. Her partner already has 2 children from a previous relationship so he is not infertile.

Yes i spotted teachers wife standing around (looking shocked) during fire.

Also wondered if Policeman's son had seen someone try to break into their house or go into the Doc's family house.

I think the crash is significant, we just don't know how yet. Was Jess pregnant and miscarried?

Friday feels a long time off!!

Oh and there was some smoke damage in girl's room, not a lot, but some.

Giving it a wee go seeing it’s very roughly my neck of the woods it’s filmed in/set

LOVE maureen beattie and Laurie Brett can’t believe Maureen’s old enough to be playing David’s mum!! (Indeed by checking their ages she’d have been a teen mum)

Re the daughters ages and being in the same class - we have composite classes in Scotland where one class contains 2 stages especially in small rural schools

“I don't think the community where everyone lives and works within a stones throw does exist any more)” it does in Scotland I’m also aware of similar places in Yorkshire, Cornwall and wales as I’ve friends/family live there

Again rurally if police officers couldn’t investigate their friends there’d be sod all for them to do

“It's possible to get disorientated in a dark smoke filled house even if it's your own house never mind someone else's house. Also I'm friends with lots of people but have never been upstairs in their house. So not unrealistic I think.”

I’ve been in house fires it’s VERY disorienting indeed you’d swear you know your way around but panic, lack of oxygen and black smoke will fuck you up.

Wildcard prediction - policeman’s ex wife did it.

Tennant a serial womaniser who also shagged the 1st wife and that’s why that marriage broke up but...policeman never knew who the other man was but knew there was one.

We’ve seen litre of that character yet and it’s being played by someone known but not a name.

One prediction I am sure of is a fair few of us on this thread will rewatch after the conclusion to play “spot the clue I missed the first time”

“Her partner already has 2 children from a previous relationship so he is not infertile.” They might also be ivf children or adopted or he’s infertile after illness.

I am impressed by so attentive to detail some of you guys are, and also how elaborate some imaginations are.