anyone watching Harry and Megan

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on tv now?

“ For me, it was the lavish baby shower“ not paid for by her and then the fooling around with baby arrival dates and the place of delivery why do they owe anyone details of the birth of their baby then the godparents my understanding was that the godparents wanted to be kept confidendtial and not going up to Balmoral to see the Queen they live next door to the Queen and Harry never goes to Balmoral

Btw I think the fuss about paying for the Frogmore cottage renovations as opposed to K and W's renovations is that people get that as the future king, Wills would expect to be housed in a palace. Harry isn't on that path and he is independently wealthy due to his inheritance from his mum. His father could also buy him a home. Why should the taxpayer house him or any of the Queen's dgc? Where do you stop?

“ Why should the taxpayer house him or any of the Queen's dgc? Where do you stop?”
Well, I don’t think the taxpayer should give any of them any money for anything. I just think they are being judged by different standards to any other member of the Royal family. As Meghan said, scrutiny is fine, but it needs to be fair.

'not paid for by her and then the fooling around with baby arrival dates and the place of delivery why do they owe anyone details of the birth of their baby then the godparents my understanding was that the godparents wanted to be kept confidendtial and not going up to Balmoral to see the Queen they live next door to the Queen and Harry never goes to Balmoral'

1. Doesn't matter that it wasn't paid for by them, it looked too show offy and ostentatious for a baby shower, they should've realised that.
2. They 'owe us' details of the baby because that's the give and take that rightly or wrongly is royal life. They take the fortune and privilege, royal fans get the details of when a baby is born.
3. You're understanding? Can you link please. We've no idea what the godparents may have requested unless you're a 'source'?
4. Living next door to the Queen is irrelevant. Balmoral is all about the whole extended family getting together away from the prying eyes that Harry so loathes. Perhaps they could have had some support there and people might have asked M if she was ok?

As a pp said there isn't any hate, just irritation and intolerance of their behaviour, culminating in this woe is me documentary that should have focused entirely on the causes they were supposed to be highlighting.

As Meghan said, scrutiny is fine, but it needs to be fair. When was the press ever fair? Meghan did nothing to protect her father from media scrutiny either. She should have helped him out initially.

I think many people get irrationally irritated by people in the public eye for no valid reasons but for lots of silly/little reasons.

So for me, the engagement photo with the eyes closed was cringeworthy - it was like something from a photoshoot of some z listers in OK magazine. So totally irrational but hey ho.

And I do think the constant comparisons between Meghan and Kate are tiresome. Some posters on here (the staunchest defenders of Meghan) are pretty vile about Kate and some of their posts read like some crazed tumblr rant.

I actually felt a lot of sympathy for her over her family as I have a similarly odd family but she must have known the press would have a field day with them. I don't understand why they weren't taken care of before hand really with some nice NDA's and cash.

And if she didn't realise that then Harry should certainly have known and done a better job of protecting her.

They cannot play with the media. They need to decide one way or the other.

While they can never be private citizens they could live relatively quietly out of the spotlight.

Or they can be celebrities and use the media for their causes and accept that the price of this is a certain level of access.

Playing games was Diana's model.

“They 'owe us' details of the baby because that's the give and take that rightly or wrongly is royal life”
I find that a breathtaking thing to read on a website devoted to supporting mothers.......

'As Meghan said, scrutiny is fine, but it needs to be fair. When was the press ever fair? Meghan did nothing to protect her father from media scrutiny either. She should have helped him out initially'

Yes and it seems more than ironic that they don't seem too worried about her estranged family. Even dragging her dad back into it for sharing her letter which only proved her friends People comments weren't true.

Also I wish sycophantic Tom Brady had said 'oh which bit isn't fair, the 4 private jets in 11 days criricism, the criticism of the 50k engagement dress? Which bit?'.

'Anyone who thinks a woman who is in labour/just give birth “owes” total strangers access to her baby is not worth arguing with.'
No, not access directly when in labour of course , just the whole putting a notice up that she was in labour when she'd already had it. Why?
It is odd that the palace announce anyone's labour and deliveries tbh, but that's what they do so they should follow protocol or decide they don't want to be involved in all the pomp and ceremony and clear off.

“ Also I wish sycophantic Tom Brady had said 'oh which bit isn't fair, the 4 private jets in 11 days criricism, the criticism of the 50k engagement dress? Which bit?'

Oh come on! Even the most ardent Meghan haters can’t say that the criticism is fair!

I have to say the Labour/birth announcement was bizarre. If it was done on purpose I can’t see what they thought they would get out of it. I do wonder whether it was cock up rather than conspiracy. Because otherwise why??

Bertrand, you've just contradicted your previous post on the subject of the birth announcement, which said: 'why do they owe anyone details of the birth of their baby?'

Though I agree with you that it seemed unnecessarily convoluted.

What Overtly racist news headline? Can you give an actual example

I think Britney Spears, Angelina Jolie, Jennifer Aniston, and other celebrities who have been dragged through tabloids would be interested in knowing that America apparently doesn't have that kind of thing.

She wasn't really famous in the States. That's fine, but there are absolutely tabloids tearing people apart there as well. And to be honest I think they would both be in for a rude awakening if they moved there. American gossip sights talk about these two as well. It is not just a British thing.

However, in terms of the public I think the stiff upper lip is perfectly acceptable. I don't know any job where people want you to come an discuss all your problems. That's just life.

“ Bertrand, you've just contradicted your previous post on the subject of the birth announcement, which said: 'why do they owe anyone details of the birth of their baby?'”
I don’t think they do owe anyone details. But, given that they gave some, I can see no advantage to them-or anyone else- of doing it the way they did. Which suggests cock op. Surely?

Oh.And all the suggestions. That she was too confident, should know her place, is just generally “uppity” is all dog whistle racism. As is the “not a typical English Rose.....
There’s a lot of misogyny too.

The idea that Meghan was “popular at first” is pure revisionism.

True. Certainly the US media was reporting on racist backlash against Meghan very early on after the engagement was announced. It was big news here. Some of it in a the-US-is-not-the-only-country-with-a-racism-problem kind of way.

Is it racism or cultural differences though? I wonder is it that Meghan is shock/horror American rather than mixed race? I think it’s probably a mix of both.

Joyfullittlehippo in which newspaper was this?