anyone watching Harry and Megan

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on tv now?

Bertrand as I’m not privy to their conversations I can’t produce evidence whether the Queen is loving or not. I would assume that she is as she is his grandmother after all.

She may (like my grandparents) not be overly demonstrative but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t care.

I think H&M should take you on as their PR spokes person.

I agree with @BertrandRussell. HMQ is notoriously hands off.

Examples;

Diana wrote to her to request a meeting about Charles. HMQ’s response “oh yes, Charles is awful, isn’t he?” End of.

Footage of HMQ and a 6-8 year old Zara. HMQ goes on and in about Dash the corgi. Zara asks if he bites. HMQ responds “I should think he would after he’s finished with you.”

Weird.

I also think Diana was well brought up and knew to be nice to her staff. Meghan has slipped up badly here.

Before you charge in and ask for evidence Bertrand, there is plenty of anecdotal evidence around. Feel free to do your own research.

HM is if a different generation. My gm in touch raw meat & then cooked told me everyone has to die sometime

She still cared! Even if it wasn’t always obvious

I thought they were the family Meghan never had?

That's a good point. I remember wincing when Harry said that. It actually put me in mind of some of the threads in relationships, and not in a good way.

The renovation of their home interests me too. It doesn't take much imagination to know that sort of expense is going to piss off a lot of the public. Yet it can't have been done by H&M alone. The renovations & expense were authorised.

My guess is that the relevant royal committee / decision maker, viewed it as a version of upgrading a satellite office to maintain a company's capital assets and are thinking longer term.

The royals have access to plenty of PR people and experienced advisors. Is it actually credible that no one thought it could cause a problem?

Or is it a royal equivalent of throwing the (then) popular prince under the bus?

“ The renovation of their home interests me too. It doesn't take much imagination to know that sort of expense is going to piss off a lot of the public”

Now this is an odd one. It was (I think) a Crown Estates renovation of a pretty decrepit building. And it cost *significantly^ less than W&K spent on theirs. And less than many other royal people have spent in the past. And didn’t the queen ask for public donations to restore Windsor Castle? But for some reason the H&M renovations are considered an outrage..

There are plenty of things about H&M that I do have problems with, but I honestly don't get the fuss about the renovations to their home. Sooner or later the work would have had to have been done as it's a listed building. By all accounts they paid for their own decorative touches. It's a massive red herring.

Honestly, there are times when I think if they closed the door behind them and never emerged again it would be money well spent.

I don't get the big deal about the renovations other than there is always bad press about big renovations that cost the tax payer.

Personally I think they should be funded by the individuals but then the property should belong to them and be purchased by them. Otherwise it is just a posh tied house really.

I don't care about their home renovations either, but I can foresee the Frogmore place becoming a bit of a white elephant, like the "Southfork" home that Duke and Duchess of York soon abandoned. It is not private enough and, from what I have seen in pictures, is darned ugly to boot. It looks a bit like an old-fashioned children's home.

*Footage of HMQ and a 6-8 year old Zara. HMQ goes on and in about Dash the corgi. Zara asks if he bites. HMQ responds “I should think he would after he’s finished with you.”

Weird.*

My in-laws were like this. It wasn't a sign of lack of affection and my children knew that they were loved by their grandparents. It's just that generation and type of person: no emoting about human beings, just animals.

So if nobody’s bothered about the house renovations and we all agree that the private jets were a bit of a bonkers thing to do (even though all the other royals do the same) what exactly is the problem?

I think we've discussed that at length Bertrand. You should know you've defended all posts !

'I don't get the big deal about the renovations other than there is always bad press about big renovations that cost the tax payer.'
It was when it happened, the lead up to fake 'labour' news when she'd already had the baby and refusing to give godparent information. None of which interests me, but the royal fans felt they were taking and not giving anything back. In isolation house renovations aren't unusual, though I would argue it's more acceptable for William as he is more 'important' in the royal hierarchy.

“ though I would argue it's more acceptable for William as he is more 'important' in the royal hierarchy.”
And he spent more than twice as much..........

• “ though I would argue it's more acceptable for William as he is more 'important' in the royal hierarchy.” And he spent more than twice as much..........*

Sounds like a bargain...

“I think we've discussed that at length Bertrand. You should know you've defended all posts !“

I know. And the only two substantive things people keep coming back to are the private jets and they house renovations. So if one of those we all agree is a bonkers thing to do and the other doesn’t matter, then where does all the hate come from?

I remember reading a sycophantic piece about how the Queen was protecting and supporting her Grandchildren ... By having William to tea once a week, when he was at Eton. I don't remember Harry being mentioned

I'm not saying I'd agree, but perhaps she thought him more in need of guidance, given his role as future monarch? And that, considering the busted flush Charles has become, there was something to be salvaged with the next generation?

No "hate" here, just a mild irritation that I'm sure, like for most people, has been a bit cumulative. You can't deny, Bertrand, that M was very popular at first. Very popular. And as for Harry - people were wild about him. I think most people really enjoyed their wedding (via the television!).

I think there has been a surfeit of moaning from the pair of them and I suppose for a lot of people it's difficult to understand this disconnect between wanting publicity and not wanting publicity. In this day and age no one is above comment or criticism.

where does all the hate come from?

I'm not sure you understand the difference between hatred and mild criticism.

You seem incredibly royalist and that's fine, it's your prerogative, but it's possible to criticise someone without hating them.

You can't deny, Bertrand, that M was very popular at first.

Not so sure about that. There were racist toned criticisms from the very first. Some were on MN. And then certain elements of the media instituted what can only be described as a campaign against her which has no doubt affected how she is perceived in the UK, although I think there were segments of the population already pre-disposed to dislike her because she is mixed race and American.

For me, it was the lavish baby shower and then the fooling around with baby arrival dates and the place of delivery, and then the godparents, and not going up to Balmoral to see the Queen that made me feel they were slightly hard work as a couple given that they are, in royal terms, not very high up the pecking order these days. The baby looks lovely, though.

“ I'm not sure you understand the difference between hatred and mild criticism.“

No. I absolutely understand the difference between those two things!

I think it’s not surprising that Harry doesn’t like Or has negative associations with balmoral considering that’s where he was told his mother had died.

I think there was a lot of goodwill from the general public at first and til now, I've never spoken to anyone who outright dislikes MM. The main negative things I've heard from people is that they don't get why she doesn't speak to her dad and they're not too happy with the money spent on Frogmore cottage. Of course that's a very unrepresentative opinion poll taken in my little part of the country. All those haters on Twitter are another universe. I didn't realise how bad it was until someone on this thread shared a link. It's vile but it is possible to ignore it.

the only two substantive things people keep coming back to are the private jets and they house renovations

Not any more, Bertrand; there was always a "they're too self obsessed" thing going on, but I honestly think they've shot themselves in the foot with the Africa Tour interviews

I couldn't really care less about where someone sits at Wimbledon, what they wear or even the relative costs of their house, but I do care about self indulgent whining against a background like that - and it's not even as if we can say "all the others do it" this time