anyone watching Harry and Megan

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on tv now?

Total bold fail

One thing I noticed about the documentary is that Meghan is still carrying a bit of baby weight and that's nice to see, especially for those of us who didn't ping back into shape immediately. Even my dh commented that it looks nice.

What I'm struggling with is the fact that Megan came across to me in that doc as portraying herself as a doe eyed innocent, who is being picked on by the big bad British press. I'm sorry but she is a divorced actress, she has presumably faced the challenges of being a newlywed before and also presumably seen the worst of what Hollywood has to offer. From what I've seen the American tabloids can also be brutal.

Interesting choice of words that you're ',struggling'. They're a couple you have never met and probably never will. Why are you 'struggling' to come to an assessment of them? How does it affect your life, to the extent that you are posting negative things about them on the internet?

Interesting divorced women can't be innocent in your eyes. Seems misogynistic to me

' doe-eyed innocent'- you wouldn't describe her as this if she wasn't pretty, so again, this is rooted in mysogyny ( and jealousy)

Being a newlywed to a relatively unknown person in the American tabloids, with their culture of fawning over celebrities, is nothing like marrying into the British royal family, and you know it.

This family has always used the media to speak for them.

Remember the Jonathan Dimbelby interview with Charles, followed by 1994 being the "year of Charles". Diana gave that notorious interview then gave a speech saying she was withdrawing from public life. More recently Charles was bemoaning in the press that William wasn't letting him into his Grandchildren's lives.

These boys did not lick this behaviour off of the ground as we say in Ireland.

From what I've seen the American tabloids can also be brutal.

True, but they are not very influential as they are in the UK. They are way below the radar of most Americans.

All of the talk of Diana has brought the aftermath of her death back into sharp relief for me. I remember stepping out of Kensington High Street tube station and the smell of flowers wafting from Kensington palace was overwhelming.

All those cards, all those tears and promises that everyone would take care of her boys, look out for them, make sure the same thing didn't happen to them from Earl Spencer to the cabbie we spoke to that evening.

Now he's getting exactly the same scrutiny, facing exactly the same issues. No wonder he's constantly reminded of his Mum

I'm struggling to illicit sympathy because that is clearly what that Ill advised interview against the backdrop of starving African people was designed to evoke. They don't affect my life and never will but I'm commenting on a thread which is talking about the documentary

Also, I do not mean to offend any women divorced or otherwise but I do stand by the fact that she is a woman of the world and has experience in life. Certainly not what some previous young brides have been thrown into.

“ against the backdrop of starving African people was designed to evoke.“
“Starving African people”??

How does it affect your life, to the extent that you are posting negative things about them on the internet?

This wasn't asked to me as I wasn't the previous poster but we are all entitled to an opinion on both of them and their behaviour.

Harry is purporting to have "a job" and "a role" - a public "job" and a public "role" by virtue of his membership of the British royal family.

They purport to hold themselves out as representatives of Britain and the Royal Family.

They have a huge security bill funded by UK taxpayers they are parading themselves publicly

And as if that isn't enough they are scrabbling to raise their public profile (Public wedding, Celeb Baby shower with Paparazzi tip offs, Instagram, Bradby Documentary) at every opportunity - at the same time as complaining about press and public criticism. "We want to be in the public eye but only on our terms and if no one criticises us". Not how it works I'm afraid.

I do think it is in very poor taste to be in Africa notionally trying to draw attention to charities dealing with the most appalling situations- women who need physical training to defend themselves from every day sexual assault for example and poverty ridden places - and to hijack that message with a poor little me/no one asked if I'm Ok whinge when you have privilege and enormous wealth. Not just comfortably off - more money, security, status and privilege that anyone here could ever dream of. Misjudged and bad taste to me.

Meghan fell foul of the likes of Piers Morgan as soon as she met Harry which was very unfortunate for her. He has targeted her from the off. And whilst I don’t blame her for a moment for not wanting to stay in touch - that is her decision entirely - there are also a number of ex-friends who have been on the receiving end of the ghosting treatment which Meghan seems to have a preference for. No judgement or criticism from me for that, I have done the same a few times in my life too.

However, I’m not a member of the RF and I’m sure in her position she would have access to advice from some very smart people about how to handle tricky relationships. Diplomacy in handling the press is an absolute must in her new position and whilst I’m sure she is a very intelligent person, there are much cleverer people surrounding her and Harry which they would be smart to employ. Not this dreadful bull in a china shop attack from Schillings who, let’s face it, will be more interested in winning the battle but possibly losing the war for the Sussexes in terms of long term public sympathy and support.

Block and delete seems to be her motto for unwanted relationships. I think she would be very popular on MN!

William made a statement not long ago complaining that his human rights had been violated over a story about Kate no longer being friends with a former neighbour, and his extreme heavy handed legal response to that story is what blew a relatively innocuous story into a big affair rumour. None of the royals except the Queen do the stoic thing.

But yet, but yet, that story just faded away eventually. Imagine if that had been Harry and Meghan? Piers et al would've exploded and Mumsnet would be in meltdown

@nmc99

I'm struggling to illicit sympathy because that is clearly what that Ill advised interview against the backdrop of starving African people was designed to evoke

What starving Africans? Their trip was for me about regeneration and empowernent
Moving away from a lazy, racist stereotype of an entire continent as a festering cesspool of deprivation and building on commonwealth links in a Brexit world.

Interested that for you it's all about Live Aid and a benevolent colonial relationship...

Oh yes, the starving Africans trope

Ok poor choice of wording don't shoot - impoverished people, abused women take your pick I still think it was very ill advised.

It is interesting that the vitriol and fervour on both sides of the debate is as fierce as the other. Think I will hide this topic now as the opinion police are out in force.

To me it's clear what nmc99 waas getting at. That ery privileged people like Megan and Harry moaning their lot whilst on a tour of a Country where lots of people do still live in genuine poverty was a bloody joke.

And I have close connections to S.A and visit nearly every year and yes their is still a lot of poverty.

There's a lot of poverty everywhere. Even in the UK. And what?

To me it's clear what nmc99 waas getting at of course it was.

There's a lot of poverty everywhere. Even in the UK. So what?

Nope not going to spoon feed you! If you don't get it then you don't get it. No worries!

So Kate and william - you’re calling hypocrites and overprivileged. And not many would argue with that (other than they have a different style to Harry and Meghan aka no sunshine sachs).

And as long as Harry and Meghan - who were supposed to “modernise” the monarchy, and seemed young and fresh - are no worse than Wills and Kate then we can’t criticise? We go with the lowest standard to give all of them a pass? Even those of us who criticise ALL young royals and don’t read the tabloids (hello).

Got it, they all get a free pass! And us plebs can’t say a thing, because we don’t get what all that press is like.

And we can’t get rid of them all because...?

I remember quite a lot of negative press about "Waity Katey" and her social climbing family, I think Kate and Pippa were referred to as the Wisteria sisters in their social sphere. I think it's now Meghan's turn although I do think there is a nasty whiff of racism thrown in.

I am a Republican and would glad to see the back of the lot of them. Harry and Meghan do seem to be struggling especially Harry, I think he is maybe not very resilient emotionally. He nor Meghan appear to have much family support.

I would much rather the focus be on Prince Andrew who is hiding behind mummy while Harry seems to be floundering. Harry and Meghan's crimes are petty in comparison, the cynic in me thinks this probably suits the Royal Family.

Nope not going to spoon feed you! If you don't get it then you don't get it. No worries!

WTF are you going on about?

Well a 'source' close to them has briefed CNN today that they are single -handedly modernising the monarchy and the royal advisors aren't up to the job of dealing with them. Let's not pretend they weren't behind the brief, they have form for putting out their side of things via proxy. But stuff like this doesn't help, so arrogant and disrespectful.

Mrscaindingle agree with you.

Modernising the monarchy means abolishing it I hope, how can it be modern?! And I’m too left-leaning to consider H&M helpful, they’re just more of the same