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Also I don’t think Georgina has the intelligence to see through Sammie

Tim or Georgina to win.

James/Sammie is demented.

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I feel like Tim has been just as manipulative as Sammi, he just hides it better. I like Georgina but she lost her way after Brooke's blocking and got caught up in the COT. The only thing I like about Paddy is his Mum. Something does not feel right about Woody winning, the high profile child of two millionaires walks away with even more publicity and a ton of cash. I didn't find him that interesting to watch either. Sammi may be unpleasant to watch but he really livened things up in the Tim, Woody, Ella love fest. I just don't find Tim genuine. Remember he kept telling Sammi he loved her whilst also trying to stop her games.

Also, would love to know are they told to say their thoughts about the others out loud? Sitting on a sofa by yourself saying loudly to no one "I'm starting to think that..." Seems unnatural .

I have woke up feeling a bit annoyed Wlla has gone . #tooIvovled

Yes, they must be told to narrate everything.

I think it's all easy to be like "I'm just going to spread peace and love" when you're stinking rich already. If 100k would totally change your life, you might be more tactical. Generalising but a lot of people from "tough backgrounds" end up ruthless about money - working in unethical industries, working 70 hors a week at any cost to make a better life than what they had. The documentary "Breaking Fashion" is a prime example - the CEO comes off a total prick, but with his background you can sort of understand where it came from.

James could just be a horrible person though - in the past few days he seems to have gone a bit mad

And I actually find Georgina the most genuine. She might have made mistakes and bitched about people but she's human, we all do it. Tim can be just as manipulative as Sammie, but much much smarter about it.

I'm genuinely impressed by how intelligent Tim is, he catches on to so much!

I hope Georgina sees how tucking awful Sammie/Paddy are. Not likeable at all but their friends and family will see they've played a blinder.

I think Georgina and Tim will be upset at Sammie being a catfish, she's used a child to manipulate Tim #grandpatim knowing it's something he always wanted and couldn't have. Georgina got rid of a friend to save Sammie.

I'd be furious I think if I was them.

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Got so emosh watching Paddy's message. So he was adopted at 6, maybe his parents rejected him due to his disability. Gives a whole new meaning to me as to why he has such a guard up about it and maybe lashes out in advance.

I don't think Georgina has done anything that bad, she's basically harmless and a follower rather than a leader. I agree now she may be seen as the safe choice and may well win it.

I do hope it's not all geared up to have the celebrity offspring winning like when Dani Dyer won Love Island. People were predicting it online way before it was screened and were proved right.

I like Woody but don't want him to win.

Still team Sammi #donshardhat .

Ella and Georgina are/were the most genuine in there. Georgina being led by Sammi showed a less pleasant side to her But she was being manipulated.

James is showing just how arrogant he is with his shirt off, chest beating. I don't think he is genuine and can not see a single redeeming quality about him. As a single mum who has struggled, I find him almost offensive.

Tim only started playing the game once he realised Sammi was insincere and tactical. I think he wanted Woody as his 2nd in command and would have always sacrificed Ella for Woody.

Woody shouldn't be dismissed for being the son of millionaires. That's exactly why he's in there, to try and prove he's actually a human not just the kid of a celeb. He is super intuitive, without scheming he has managed to correctly guess the catfish and he has not played the game, he's gone with his heart.

I realise it's a game and tactics are the way forward, but in such a shitty cut-throat world it's nice to know there are still good people out there. I don't want him to win because of who his parents are (even though that's what piqued my initial nterest in watching), I want him to win because he seems like a genuinely lovely human.

I can't say that about any of the others (Paddy especially, relying on personality to pull through and actually being bland and a bit unpleasant)

If anybody was to date James on the outside, they should be very wary of how manipulative he is - it's quite alarming really.

Glad they have done away with the star rating from last year so they can have a slight handle on the tactical voting

Really would love Tim to win, or at least if he doesn't, hopefully the public will get behind him and vote for the public vote ( is that still happening?)

Last night was ridiculously good tv.

Have no idea how voting will go. Wonder how much they're trying to work out what other people are going to do, second guessing what other people think they're going to do etc. Definitely more interesting with rankings rather than scores, can't put everyone bottom, and I can see Georgina winning by being everyone's second choice.

The game isn’t about being genuine or hunting catfish, it’s about being popular. I agree with dayswithaY and others. I do not want to see either Tim or Woody with the money.

Got so emosh watching Paddy's message. So he was adopted at 6, maybe his parents rejected him due to his disability. Gives a whole new meaning to me as to why he has such a guard up about it and maybe lashes out in advance.

Possibly I was surprised when I heard that shows how little we really know about him. He did say his
Mum hand cancer while she was pregnant so I thought maybe a relapse 😢

I don't rate Georgina at all she hasn't just been led by Sammie she started being snakey and bitching when Brooke left! Even before that she drew the picture of Sammie but didn't own up! She doesn't annoy me as much as Sammie/James and paddy do but she's no some innocent sheep being led in my opinion

I don't think Tim is manipulative but he's much older than the rest, with a lot more life experience, plus intelligence that lets him see beyond what's in front of his eyes and apply some critical thinking.

I don't want Georgina to win. It wouldn't be the best person winning because although she's young and has been manipulated she is ultimately responsible for her behaviour and it hasn't been great. She actually would only be winning thanks to James and his scheming.

I would like Tim to win. Woody has come across well and will do well in life moving forwards, so I agree he doesn't need the win.

I don't care that Woody doesn't need the money, I still want him to win. I think he would likely to give it to charity which can only be good.

I would love him to see how popular he is with the public. He seems quite shy and maybe a bit insecure. Considering how loud and over the top his mum is he is not like her is he? Not sure what Fat Boy Slim is like. Also, as he said, when people find out who his parents are their attitude towards him changes.

If Woody doesn't win then I want Tim to.

I dislike Georgina and James and don't want to see either of them win. Nasty pair

My ideal result would be Tim winning the circle woody the public vote but I don't think that will happen it will all go very tactical now I think Georgina or paddy will fly under the radar and win

I expect Tim or Woody to win the £30,000 public vote. The £70,000 seems unlikely, unless a couple of Georgina, Paddy and Sammie put Tim or Woody ahead of other COT members in order to try and make sure they win the money themselves.

Georgina hates Tim for blocking Brooke but now she has betrayed her friend Ella for a snakey manipulative catfish! #idiot... rolling eyes emoticon... send

Sadly I can see Georgina winning too which is incredibly annoying for me because I think she's been awful - she's done nothing but nastily bitch about people and complain about anyone having the slightest hint of fun since Brooke left, and she hasn't even had the good grace to be good telly while she's doing it like James has.

She will get the middle of the road votes though and Tim and Woody will probably vote Sammie low so it's quite likely she will win.

I still think they haven't quite got the voting system down and it's leading to a situation where viewers are likely to be left feeling like the wrong person won which lets face it is not good for ratings. It's definitely better than last year - if Dan had any common sense he wouldn't have rated Kate highly and they would have ended up in a situation where everyone voted themselves 5 and everyone else 1 so nobody won. At least somebody has to win in the current system, but I think they should combine the Circle vote and public vote (like Strictly) so the winner would have to be successful in the Circle AND liked by viewers. If they did it that way though it would have to be done live so I'm guessing they wouldn't do that as it would come across as too similar to Big Brother. The only other thing I think would work would be to make the Circle and viewer vote 50k each rather than 75k/25k. Would make for much more satisfying viewing.

I think Sammie will realise Georgina is likely to get most votes so will ditch her to the bottom of his vote - scheming shirtless git.

Would be interested to see how Georgina persuaded Tim to block Ella - yes why can't we see that bit

Sadly I think Georgina will win too...she's the only one unlikely to receive any poor ratings.

I would love to see Tim win, he has been so kind to everyone throughout. Woody is a close second for me, but he doesn't need the money, so I'd rather see it go to Tim and change his life.

I really hope Paddy doesn't win either. I don't massively dislike him but I feel like he hasn't really added much and or made much effort to build relationships with the other players. That's why Sammie chose him to be part of his evil team, because Paddy has made no other allies so he knew he was up for grabs. Paddy deserves the win the least.

Sammie....what can I say? I thought he was quite sweet at first even though he was a catfish, he often felt bad about using people and playing on their emotions, but now he's just horrible. It's a shame for him because he could have potentially won the public vote before he started all these antics.

Would be interested to see how Georgina persuaded Tim to block Ella

I'm guessing it was a bit of a guilt trip, I could see it coming when she started talking about how they were bonded by their illnesses. I think that combined with Tim feeling positive towards Paddy himself probably did it.