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DUBLIN MURDERS - mon and tue 9pm BBC’s

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Blondeshavemorefun · 13/10/2019 14:02

Starts tomorrow

When a young, talented ballerina is found dead on an ancient stone altar, her death drags up another tragedy that befell this community years before - when three children disappeared into the local woods and only one returned

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longtompot · 05/11/2019 22:52

I liked how they had the dance teacher appear to be running away from the police. I did not guess it would be the older sister.

Cassie was originally stabbed by one of the henchmen for the drug dealer she went undercover for. The one she told Sam, I think that was his name, her boyfriend who looks so much like Chris Pratt (or is that just me?) how much she enjoyed sleeping with, to hurt him.

I do feel a bit uhh about that ending. Felt there were so many questions, but not enough answers. That the characters were promising to be deep with dark secrets, but actually they just felt flat.

I loved it when Adams Irish accent came out when he was shouting at his mum.

Charley50 · 05/11/2019 22:52

OMG I've cracked it! The dog ate them! That's why their bodies were never found.

PlasticPatty · 05/11/2019 22:54

I thought the wolf killed the kids
Perhaps you're right. I'm not good at hints. If Rob had seen the wolf, that would account for it 'haunting' him.

MotherOfSoupDragons · 05/11/2019 22:55

What a crock ending. How did the dance teacher work out it was Rosalind? Why were Adam's shoes bloody and his t shirt ripped? No way would Rosalind have worked out that Rob was Adam and that Cassie knew. Gah.

Charley50 · 05/11/2019 23:01

When I said dog, I meant wolf.

Squigean · 05/11/2019 23:15

I enjoyed it, but feel unsatisfied. It's a funny one as it started out as a whodunnit about Katy's murder, but it got way-sided by 85 and Lexies, then came back to solve the original story but left us unfulfilled with the other two.

I had Rosalind down as a suspect (sounds impressive, but everyone was a contender in my mind, so probably takes away from my deductive prowess).

Did not expect the unhinged reveal of Adam during the interview. There's a young girl on her way to Dundrum and not the usual teenage destination!!

Deadsouls · 05/11/2019 23:37

Please excuse as I haven't read the whole thread but maybe someone can point me somewhere in the thread that might explain my questions!
I'm left feeling confused by the ending!

  1. What happened to Shane? Did Reilly (Adam) just beat him up and leave him for dead? Why did we never go back to see his fate? Why was he painting all that 'it's rising' stuff?
  1. What happened to the 3rd man in the woods in '85? The main instigator of the rape , name beginning with C.
  1. I don't understand the whole Lexie thing? What was that about?
Did the Jane Doe assume the identity of the undercover Maddox somehow? It's such a coincidence! How come? I don't get it!
  1. How come the guy (who murdered the Jane Doe Lexie?) run into Maddox on the bus? When was that? When Maddox was doing her undercover operation? So confused about what that has to do with anything?
  1. The dream sequence bit where young Maddox is in the back of the car and Lexie comes and takes her hand...is this to suggest that Maddox always had this alter ego?
  1. The whole 'dark rising' thing in the woods, the wind blowing and voices...what was that? The supernatural....part of the ancient history of the site?
  1. The wolf/dog etc...was it real? What was that all about?
  1. What really happened to Jamie and Petet? Why did Adam have scratch marks in his t shirt, blood filling his shoes but no bloody wounds??

So bloody confused!

thaegumathteth · 06/11/2019 00:07

@Deadsouls

  1. What happened to Shane? Did Reilly (Adam) just beat him up and leave him for dead? Why did we never go back to see his fate? Why was he painting all that 'it's rising' stuff?

he crawled back into his makeshift bed and I presume is either still there or is dead either from the beating or because of mental health. I thought it would've been nice for Adam to go see him when he was outed anyways:

  1. What happened to the 3rd man in the woods in '85? The main instigator of the rape , name beginning with C.
he was the guy who had been away on business and who seemed to be some kind of gangster now - don't think he had anything to do with anything though other than the rape
  1. I don't understand the whole Lexie thing? What was that about?
Did the Jane Doe assume the identity of the undercover Maddox somehow? It's such a coincidence! How come? I don't get it!

the guy who ended up killing Lexie saw her on the bus and recognised her from University a few years ago and said her full name when he was talking to her on the bus. However it was actually Cassie who had been the one at University when undercover previously. Lexie just took the name because presumably she was hiding from something / someone

  1. How come the guy (who murdered the Jane Doe Lexie?) run into Maddox on the bus? When was that? When Maddox was doing her undercover operation? So confused about what that has to do with anything?
as above that was before Lexie came to live with them - he inadvertently gave her Lexie's identity
  1. The dream sequence bit where young Maddox is in the back of the car and Lexie comes and takes her hand...is this to suggest that Maddox always had this alter ego?
not sure I thought it was a coping mechanism
  1. The whole 'dark rising' thing in the woods, the wind blowing and voices...what was that? The supernatural....part of the ancient history of the site?
no clue
  1. The wolf/dog etc...was it real? What was that all about?
im leaning towards it being real because frank saw it too at the end and because of the marks on Adams shirt etc BUT I don't know if it's meant to be some kind of supernatural being and that's why shame did the marks on the wall and the whole campaign about he rises'
  1. What really happened to Jamie and Petet? Why did Adam have scratch marks in his t shirt, blood filling his shoes but no bloody wounds??
as above we don't know - it was off Adam was found hanging on to the tree I though as if something was pulling at him so I don't know if we are to presume supernatural imvolvement
Deadsouls · 06/11/2019 00:22

07thaegumathteth

Thank you for taking the time to answer. I think I understand a bit more, but the supernatural, dark rising thing remains a mystery. Maybe its meant to be.

Also...was there something deeper about the whole doppelganger Lexie thing. Maybe a connection between them, Jane Doe Lexie had no family, no one knew her and Maddox was an orphan, similarly on her own.

Daniel (was that his name?) who Maddox shot says something like, 'what would it have been like to be face to face with your doppelganger'....something about the world ends?

Also they were both pregnant at the same time???!

CoolCarrie · 06/11/2019 03:09

There aren’t any wolves in Ireland, the last one was killed in the 18th century.

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 06/11/2019 06:46

I actually didn’t mind that there were some loose ends. Life isn’t neatly tied up all pat like a cosy Midsomers Murders so in that sense it made it more real.

I agree with whoever said that the 1985 bits and the Cassie/Lexie thing were used as devices to explore Adam/Rob and Cassie’s characters. I took Frank seeing the wolf at the end as a sign that he too has some darkness, some damage inside him, as Cassie said when he tried to get her to retract her report. Perhaps he was/is going to be the focus of the second series, if there is one.

I thought the acting, especially the actor playing Rosalind, was terrific!

peridito · 06/11/2019 08:12

I can't work out if my feeling of relief is a) because I found the end quite satisfying or b) because I won't have to watch anymore episodes .

I agree - fantastic acting .

This thread has really made the series more enjoyable for me .

Charley50 I salute you - the wolf dunnit .

Squigean · 06/11/2019 08:40

Just had a look at the book series, third book is called 'Faithful Place', and the main character is

Frank Mackey

Clawdy · 06/11/2019 08:41

No wolves in Ireland, as someone else said.

Charley50 · 06/11/2019 09:00

Ah maybe it was a dog then. Grin

Charley50 · 06/11/2019 09:04

I wanted Cassie and Adam/Rob to get together at the end. Would have made me feel all warm and glowy inside. And it would have meant they had begun to overcome their demons, which is always nice. Grin

peridito · 06/11/2019 09:10

No wolves in Ireland - we could add this small detail to a number of other deviations in the series from reality .
#poeticlicencerules

Screwtheclockchange · 06/11/2019 09:27

Haven't finished watching it yet but, from the comments on here and Twitter, it sounds as though the adaptation process left a lot of loose ends that weren't in the books. Not that the books didn't require suspension of disbelief but it sounds as though the adaptation positively inserted plot holes?

BOOK SPOILERS

E.g. BookRosalind guesses about BookRob's past because the thick sod tells her he feels her pain because he was involved in a double missing child case when he was a boy. Admittedly, this makes BookRob look like an idiot but at least it's explained.

BookRob never changed his name, he just started using his middle name and relied on the fact that he had a very common surname and a brand new English accent. Of course, that's just wildly implausible in a different way but it does avoid all the questions on Twitter about how he applied to the police under a name different to the one on his birth certificate without anyone digging into why he'd changed it.

The woman posing as "Lexie" has a long history in the book of assuming (possibly stealing) other identities across several continents. So, whilst it still requires massive suspension of disbelief that she crosses paths with her, it's all a little less random than the TV series seems to have made it sound?

FLOrenze · 06/11/2019 09:36

A little lone voice in the woods here. I absolutely loved it. I thought the final episode was gripping.

peridito · 06/11/2019 09:46

I liked it as well .Do think you have to suspend belief though .

I liked it an awful lot more when I watched it live when sub titles available .Normally watch without as DP records and this seems to render subtitles unavailable .

WidowTwonky · 06/11/2019 09:58

Yes the similarities between Lexie and Cassie were weird (beyond just their looks). Bothe being pregnant, both being stabbed in exactly the same place...

Lifebi · 06/11/2019 12:41

and the worst bit of all, ... where the bad cop says to Adam at the end ...
I wish you "a rising road".

I've never heard that being said by anybody in Ireland or elsewhere.
"go n-éirí an bóthar leat", on the other hand means much the same thing but is never used in English.

kaytees · 06/11/2019 13:06

Ooh I take it all back! Excellent acting. Particularly the girl playing Rosalind. Chilling.

stumbledin · 06/11/2019 14:15

Have come back on this thread to ask one question as by the end I felt a lot of the plot was explained by more mundane earthly things than the original impression of supernatural.

So for anyone with good memories can you explain the very opening scence in the very first programme. I sort of assumed that is where we would finish but in fact it wasn't.

So at which point in the Cassie Rob story did that first scene take place? And what had happened to cause that breakdown.

My other question was going to be how did Cassie and Rob first meet but this was explained in the early part of the last programme. It was distracting me as I was imagine some other weird twist but it was much more straight forward.

Anyone remember the very first scene and where it fitted in in the timeline?

Thanks

stumbledin · 06/11/2019 14:22

Having asked for help am now going to be a bit of a party pooper and why I stopped following the thread.

Its because I think when a tv series is adapted from a book or play it should be a rule that people who know the book or play do not comment about how it isn't the same or the book explains xyz.

I think there should be a separate thread for those who want to discuss how sucessful and adaptation has been!

It was the same in the Handmaid's Tale thread.

The tv adaptation should stand on its own and if it doesn't make sense or deviates from the original is not relevant to is the tv series working for those are just watching it as a tv show.

But can see that if you have read and liked a book wanting to talk about plot /character changes do or do not work is something you want to talk about.

So if there is a second series can we have 2 threads - please?! Blush