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Eurovision: The Results

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RedToothBrush · 18/05/2019 23:01

You've Survived Flat Madge.

Well Done.

Here are the finalists

  1. Malta - Maltese Molly And Her Pet Chameleon and Support Socks
  2. Albania - Rylan’s Nashers Channel Khalessi Yodelling
  3. Czech Republic - The Wiggles EuroFwend
  4. Germany - Meghan Markle and LeAnn Rimes
  5. Russia - Vanity Shower Screens
  6. Denmark - Ladders and Clouds
  7. San Marino - Right Said Fred Goes to Benidorm
  8. North Macedonia - Mel Off Eastenders
  9. Sweden - Gospel Lionel Richie
10. Slovenia - Dull and In Love. Apparently. Snore. Slow-venia. Creepy 11. Cyprus - Chandelier pants and PVC 12. Netherlands - A Nice Moody Ballad from Duncan the Dutchman 13. Greece - Nasally Don't Tell The Bride. 14. Israel - Is it Ross or Howard? What Freddie Mercury would have looked like had Borat played him. Is it David Blaine? 15. Norway - Ken The Spirited Club Style Yoiker. Come on Barbie! 16. United Kingdom - The John Lewis Christmas Ad 2019 17. Iceland - Do I Really Need to Remind You?!! Mad Max the Musical. 18. Estonia - Mr Wholesome with the Disappearing Guitar 19. Belarus - Britney Belarus 20. Azerbaijan - Shut Up! Lazzzzeerrrssss 21. France - Wigman. Gaga's Little Bro. 22. Italy - It wasn't me. Shaggy 2.0 23. Serbia - Wicked Ice Queen Angelina Jolie's Stunt Leg 24. Switzerland - Red Dirty Dancers and Rylan’s Outfit 25. Australia - Glenda The Good Witch on a Bouncy Stick. 26. Spain - Mel C and Bryan Adams Changing Rooms on IKEA Kallax Shelves
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WrathofEurovisionKlop · 19/05/2019 12:26

My lot can be backing singers.

Katie and the Klops.
Song written by Adele.

What could possibly go wrong.

Ohnotanothernamechange · 19/05/2019 12:28

I can well believe it Oliversmumsarmy. The BBC don't want to win. I don't think they can afford to host it, nor do they want the hassle.

This is why year in, year our they send MOR dross that sounds like a Westlife album filler from the early 2000's sung by a mediocre singer.

Until they decide they would like us to be in with a shot again then nothing will change. I'd love to see what ITV would do with the contest, but the BBC will never let it go because it still rates really well and gets bigger viewing figures than anything else they show at this time of year.

JaneJeffer · 19/05/2019 12:32

ITV would have a sob-story-off instead of a sing-off. The most tragic wins and are sent to represent the UK accompanied by their nan.

WrathofEurovisionKlop · 19/05/2019 12:32

Ohnotanothernamechange
Yes the BBC don't want us to be burdened with hosting the damn show.

They just want the massive ratings.

Oliversmumsarmy · 19/05/2019 12:37

The problem is the ones I know who were offered it and turned it down said it would be a career killer.

InglouriousBasterd · 19/05/2019 12:47

Totally agree with everything Banivani posted!

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2019 12:49

The most tragic wins and are sent to represent the UK accompanied by their nan.

Tbf Michael wasn't far off this. Just saying

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Binglebong · 19/05/2019 12:56

Thank you. And it is always appropriate to call me Bungle. Grin

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 19/05/2019 13:35

Yes, racism is a problem. Particuarly in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. You only have to look at what happens when black footballers play over there. It's like stepping back in time about 40 years.

Disgusting. At least it looks like things might have been changing very much for the better since then, going on how well the Swedish chap so deservedly did.

It's the song, the accompaniment, the clothes, the dancing, the cheesy grins, the silly props, the whole performance that we mock critically evaluate - honestly, who could care less what colour skin the performers happen to have?

cranstonmanor · 19/05/2019 16:03

I can well believe it Oliversmumsarmy. The BBC don't want to win. I don't think they can afford to host it, nor do they want the hassle.

It doesn't matter if they can afford it or not. Each particpating country pays contribution each year to have it arranged. So it doesn't matter if the host is poor or rich, there's a neat little budget waiting to be spent.

cranstonmanor · 19/05/2019 16:08

www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-host-Eurovision

Here, they get 5-6 mil to host a party. Although most countries decide to spend more and pay it out of their own pocket. So the israeli taxpayer paid for madonna to sing (I bet they'd rather have paid to keep her quiet though, what a terrible performance).

frostyfingers · 19/05/2019 18:12

They should perform anonymously behind a screen then the vote would be for the actual song rather than the country - can’t see that ever happening though!

SirNilsOlav · 19/05/2019 18:27

An Israeli billionaire funded Madonna's appearance himself so thankfully my taxes didn't go to that portion!

I dread to think how much Kan spent on the rest of it though.

mathanxiety · 19/05/2019 18:28

I think Germany has a similar issue actually. The politics of Eurovision are - generally speaking - against them too.

Seriously, their songs have been lemons, with few exceptions.

It is not politics.

banivani · 19/05/2019 18:33

I took a walk today and listened to the Eurovision songs on Spotify. Grin Changed my opinion on some of them, cemented my opinion that Russia’s sounded like an Andrew Lloyd Webber song which explains why I didn’t like it. And Britain’s was forgettable. 🤷‍♀️ I completely agree that there were others just as bad but I think they do better because people know the artist or something. It was no Katrina and the Waves that’s for sure.

DioneTheDiabolist · 19/05/2019 18:35

Stormzy! I want The Mumsnet Massive feat. Stormzy as our next entry.

mathanxiety · 19/05/2019 18:35

Italy and Sweden were not so strong how they got those votes i dont understand.

Sweden - charismatic performance, catchy chorus, well presented. Middle of the road song had appeal for all ages. I can see my mum really liking it. She is 86.

Italy - fairly edgy, fairly cool, but not too much, and sung partly in Arabic. Broad appeal among younger voters, nice rhythm, unusual quality to the voice.

user1471590586 · 19/05/2019 18:41

Apparently the UK and Sweden songs were written by the same person, so why such a disparity in score. Also why did Slovenia do better than us, it was terrible. Their act was very strange, Norton described them as creepy.

mathanxiety · 19/05/2019 18:42

Banivani I agree with your comments on bloc voting. I don't think it's political, apart from the Ukraine/Russia antagonism.

There is a regional 'taste' in music, for want of a better word. For instance, there is definitely a Balkan type of ballad that resonates in that region, and a style of performance that you find in the Baltic and Russia. Russia has cross links to the Caucuses too, and to Bulgaria though they weren't in it this year, to Moldova and Romania, and the Balkans ballad has echoes in many Russian entries.

And YY to singers being familiar in different regions of Europe.

SisterFarAway · 19/05/2019 19:02

Germany zero points grin
Yep I am schadenfreudig but I live here

So am I, but I really think there is a method behind Germany always being in the bottom third. They simply don't want to host for another few years. Germany needs to enter another Stefan Raab or Guildo Horn Grin

MythicalBiologicalFennel · 19/05/2019 19:07

I think people forget the diaspora factor. For example there are a lot of ethnic Russians living outside Russia, especially in some eastern European countries. They will always vote for Russia hence Russia tends to do well in the people's vote. Their entries tend to be quite polished - this year's song was good (not great) and staged and performed impeccably.

I don't agree about the race factor with Sweden- the song was good but a little bit dull. He believed in the song and that came across but he overdid the soppiness a bit. So he did very well but he didn't come at the top.

I have to agree that Norway were the best, the song was good and their performance electric. Importantly for me - although not for many - there was an element of their own culture and at least a bit of a language other than English. It gets a a bit boring when it's a long evening of young beautiful women wailing in English.

banivani · 19/05/2019 19:15

There’s a Swedish artist called Jon-Henrik Fjällgren who for three years running now has competed in Swedish tryouts with jojking and I like his songs better than the Norwegian one. Google his name and melodifestivalen for YouTube vids. His song this year wasn’t that great but the other two were quite moving. I agree that Norway’s performance was great and listening on Spotify today it did have something extra.

CatAndHisKit · 19/05/2019 19:24

exactly my thoughts on Norway, Mythical - I predicted that they'll win after the semi, and they did on public vote as I understand. It really was a proper get up and dance electric! Just pure merriment which all sooo need right now!
Yep also to diaspora factor - it applies to Russians and possibly even more to Poles. UK alwaysvotes a high scrore for Poland (not sure this tear though), whereas lots of Russians in Eastern and Westerbn Europe. The antagonism os not just with Ukraine though - it's also strongly with Estonia. Latvia (but not Lithuania) and with Georgia (but friends with Azerbaijan). And everyone in Eastern Europe apart from Serbia and Bulgaria.
Slovenia was awful - she's just talikng (&starin) at the poor bloke non-stop!
Ausrtalia - just no!

The winning song was a nice moody and a good voice, I wanted NOrway to win but pleased it's him out of all others.
Is Duncan ex-British??

CatAndHisKit · 19/05/2019 19:24

*moody one

RedToothBrush · 19/05/2019 19:35

Kit Lovelace @ kitlovelace
Now I'm all caught up with the results from last night's contest, with the UK placing last, I'm going to wheel out the same musical analysis I do almost every year to offer up one possible explanation as to why the UK consistently does so poorly at Eurovision these days...

Since 2000, the majority of Eurovision winners have been written in a minor key. Not only have minor keys won 15 of the last 20 contests (major keys have only won five), major keys have placed rock bottom nearly twice as often as minor ones.

What happened last night?
– The song that won (The Netherlands; Arcade) = A minor
– The song that came dead last (UK; Bigger Than Us) = C Major

You could hardly ask for better example as A minor is what's called the 'relative minor' of C Major (i.e. C Major's moody, sullen cousin). In 1999, a C Major song might have been nailed on. In 2019? Darkness has taken hold. You need to switch it to minor...

Look at the entire Top 5 from last night:
The Netherlands = A minor
Italy = Eb minor
Russia = G minor
Switzerland = B minor
Norway = D minor

It's worth saying that 20 of last night's finalists were written in minor keys (which goes some way to explain why there's such a heavy concentration of them at the top) – but what happened to the major key entrants? Let's look at the bottom end of the table...

Half of this year's major key finalists ended up placing outside the Top 20.
UK: 26th of 26 = C Major
Germany: 24th = C Major
Greece: 21st = Eb Major

Other songs in C Major this year include:
Ireland (didn't qualify)
Lithuania (didn't qualify)
Austria (didn't qualify)
Sweden (which we'll return to...)

As for the UK, in the last 5 years:
– Michael Rice, SuRie, Joe & Jake and Electro Velvet have all sent songs in major keys. All came 24th/26th.
– Lucie Jones was sent with a song in D minor. She came 15th (which obviously isn't 'success', but a step in the right direction...)

THE LESSON HERE: If we want to have even the slightest chance of keeping step with the rest of the contest, we need to consider sending something with a moodier, minor sound.

NEXT: Key changes. The thing that everyone associates Eurovision with. ("It's a key change! Drink!") The last time a song with a key change actually won? 2007. The last time a song with a key change came bottom? 2019.

The idea that key changes do any real business at Eurovision is a myth and a mystery – yet it is so, so persistent in the British coverage and the British mindset ("That's got a key change, that'll do well..."). We need to shake ourselves free of this.

It's not that key changes are bad in and of themselves. It's more to do with what a key change is for; what a key change indicates...

Key changes can inject a bit of life into a song for its final chorus to help hoy it over the finish line. Trouble is, if your song can't hold people's attention for three minutes without relying on a gimmick like that – maybe it's a sign your composition has bigger problems?

Here you might find yourself saying "But Sweden won the jury vote! That song was in C Major and it had a key change!" And what did the public do when they heard it? Gave it 93 points – dropping it a full five places.

Writing specifically to please the juries is no bad thing, of course (the UK would declare a national holiday if we ever managed to place as high as 6th again) but there's other ways to play to jury without losing the public too.

For example: The Netherlands wrote the verses of its winning song in 6/4. The strange time signature is barely recognisable because of the sparse nature of the arrangement, so doesn't hit the audience's ear weirdly but juries feel smart voting for it...

Or take Portugal from 2017, who used some unusually complex jazz chord voicings and progressions in their arrangement. Playing with 13ths and flattened 5ths gives the juries something meaty to chew on, but keeps the public interested too...

Or Ukraine from 2016 – which is one of the moodiest minor key songs in recent memory, which had a middle eight that used unconventional scale patterns...

As Eurovision winners get more and more experimental, we send a song in C Major (the first key that anyone who takes a piano lesson learns) and chucked in the most well-worn compositional gimmick possible (the key change). The audience have heard that precisely one million times.

Now obviously, I'm not picturing the European public sitting in their living rooms saying "Is that C Major? And a key change of a semitone? No. That won't be getting my vote." It's a little less direct than that. It's more that these choices are indicative of a broader attitude.

Just so I'm not twisting on about basic keys and basic key changes, let's switch focus for a second to basic tempo. Tempo is the best example I can use to show how Eurovision audiences have an instinctive ear for the unadventurous. We need to look at 128 beats per minute.

I haven't had a chance to update this graphic because it's a fiddly little beast, but look at the section I've marked out around the 127/128bpm area. Five songs this decade that have come dead last have been set to that pace. Why is that pace so basic? Because of maths...

Eurovision songs have an upper limit of 3 minutes.
3 minutes of a 128bpm beat gives you exactly 96 bars.
96 is divisible by 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, 16 – all of which are the building blocks of pop music phrasing.
So you'd think it would provide a foolproof template for Eurovision...

Yet, for some spooky reason, audiences consistently pick up on it and nix the song's chances. Most entrants managed to avoid it this year – but Estonia fell into the trap and came 19th.

Even Sergey Lazarev's hot 2016 favourite wasn't immune from the poison on 128bpm..
Thread on Sergey 2016

You'll also note in the tempo graphic above that 84/85bpm has had terrible recent form. Guess what tempo marking the UK entry had? No, go on. Guess.

I'm not suggesting that there is a magic formula to crack Eurovision. Nor am I suggesting it's easy to compose, discover or convince the British public of the merits of a song that will do well. But we're missing something critical. We just aren't hearing it.

Eurovision: The Results
Eurovision: The Results
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