The Nights Watch. GAME OF THRONES. SEASON 8 EPISODE 5. May 13 UK. SPOILERS AFTER 2am.

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So, now we battle for King's Landing and the Throne.

The penultimate episode of this most epic of tales. Can Cersei survive? Will Euron catch on and wonder how Tyrion could have known of the pregnancy? Will Arya and the Hound beat Jaime in the race south?

As ever, no leaks or spoilers please until we watch the episode live together. Our Watch begins....

Re jon taking one for the team - I was kind of thinking that too, but I do think Dany is supposed to be 'mad' rather than angry so at some point she would still lose the plot even if Jon was willing to carry on pretending things were like they were before.

Well I didn’t enjoy that episode at all! I don’t really get why dany wanted to destroy kl and kill all those innocent people, where is she going to rule from? I’m guessing she’s given up on the throne for now and will head north and go after Sansa now?

Anyone who has watched twice - is it definitely Dany who is guiding Drogon - she didn't fall off and he has gone rogue by any chance. They didn't seem to show her much once she started attacking the innocents.

I knew that little girl’s horse would be used for pathos when I first saw it!!

Cleganebowl was a complete anticlimax that wasn’t supposed to be a climax at all. As soon as the helmet came off - Darth Vader!

I did love Jamie and Cersei’s ending though, v like Pompeii as the pyroclastic flow descends...

And the white horse at the end wasn’t miraculously clean, it had blood all over it pp!

I think the episode was very much setting things up for Jon to kill Dany. All the silent scenes of him looking around at the chaos and destruction, he’s realising he never signed up to any of this.

Although I was anticipating a much more gruesome end for Cersei, there was something weirdly poignant about them dying together like that. There was a love story in there.

It's definitely her.
They showed her enraged face just before launching the attack.

I don't think Arya has told anyone of her training as a Faceless Man, has she?

Did she tell Sansa?

I think Dany is now on Arya’s list

For anyone who’s interested, they always release a on YouTube after every episode.

Apparently this episode was supposed to evoke the horrors of Dresden, so they’ve accomplished that mission at least.

I wanted Dany to ride up the window Cersei was standing in, hover with the dragon then burn the shit out of her.

Same! I was practically yelling it at the TV at one point, stop wasting time burning ransoms when the one you want is right bloody there!

Just watched and now catching up with the thread....

I wish Dany had burned the shit out of Cersei as well. I hated the Jamie going back to KL for Cersei storyline to simply be ‘coz he luvs her innit’ what a waste of a great redemption arc.

Sigh. Not feeling it.

That was insane.

So jaimes arc was a whole pile of nothing, huh? Brienne meant nothing? The valonquar prophesy meant nothing? No character development whatsoever?

OK cool, good to know. 👍

I think as Cersei was pregnant, they were careful about how they killed her. Killing Robb's pg wife at the wedding was one of the ultimate acts of evil in the show. For any of the main characters to have directly killed Cersei, I think that would have been too far. I actually thought her death was very fitting. She only really ever cared about her children and Jaime and she lost all of them.

I liked Cleganebowl. It showed there was still something of the Mountain left in there. Was the actor the same as the actor who killed Oberyn? I know there have been a few actors to play the Mountain.

I think Dany will call all the lords to bend the knee.

Sansa for house Stark
Turin for house Lannister
Sweet Robin for the Vale
Gendry for house Baratheon
Sam for house Tarley
Bron for Highgarden
Yara for the Iron Islands

They will all refuse to bend the knee. Dany will order her dragon to kill them all. Jon will protest and the dragon will obey Jon, the rightful heir.

Dany will be utterly undone, betrayed by everyone and kill herself.

Ok, so I liked:

• the Jamie/Tyrion goodbye
• the Cersei/Jamie death (I know others didn't but I found it quite fitting that she died under the rubble along with so many of her subjects)
• Arya/Sandor, a fitting end that showed Arya letting go of revenge and maturing
• the overall spectacle of the battle
• I didn't want to see mad queen, but if you're going down that route, go big or go home and they went big

What I didn't like:

• I can't get my head around Tyrion betraying Verys it just seems so out of character
• Jon being so ineffectual (but maybe that's the point)

Where next?

• Well I think it's fair to say that Dany has burnt her bridges ( pun intended). I can't see how Jon and Tyrion are going to defend her actions

• Arya came to kill a queen - maybe just not the one she originally intended? However i think that's unlikely (she's already had her big moment with the night king). It's obviously important she's in KL though so I can only conclude that has something to do with Jon (supporting/influencing?)

• As stands the only main protagonist who seems to have their shit together is Sansa but she's in the North.

What I'd like to see is Dany turn on Jon with Dracaris but Drogon refusing because the dragon instinctively knows he's the true heir and flame Dany instead.

The he reverts to his mopey type and buggers off somewhere on Drogon rather than takes the throne.

Iron throne taken by Tyrion, Arya, Gendry or Sansa - don't care which but I'd bet on the latter two.

Not fulfilling the valonquar prophecy was the crappest bit for me- it was the whole basis for the Cersei/Tyrion/Jaime dynamic, her thinking Tyrion was going to kill her, and it was like they just forgot about it. It was the only part of the prophecy that didn't come true- unless you think that Jaime leading her down to the blocked escape route was him "killing" her. I could've dealt with Jaime running off on Brienne if he done the right thing and killed Cersei.

Harrumph.

Unless Dany is the valonquar, little sister. She is the youngest child of the mad king.

That turned out better than I expected.

I LOVED Cleganebowl (although was the mountain immortal?), the symbolism of the Hound pushing him into the fire was brilliant. So sad for the Hound though.

I wish that horse had been Bran warging and that was Aryas arc over, mostly because I desperately don't want her to die but also think it would have been a fitting end.

The little brother prophecy was never in the show so can't get worked up about that and in a way I think it stayed true to Jaimes character that he doesn't kill Cersei.

I loved seeing Drogon and the Dothraki in KL, visually I thought it was very good. I don't think Dani is mad, I think she's overcome with grief and anger and she has a dragon.

Lots of posts have made me laugh but I think @PissedOffProf's was my favourite

Lweji I need to watch it again (well maybe not), I remember Dany's face when the bells rang - she looked relieved - she had won. when she zoomed off I thought she was heading for cersei. It is a bit strange they didn't show her that much during the attack - I guess what expression should she show? Maybe in a way not being able to see dany and only really seeing the dragon it put the audience more in the frame of the terrified common city people, a bit like arya being swept along. ?

I feel really meh about this season. I’d never watch the show before, but knew this year was the final season. Made the decision to download previous 7 seasons and give it a go, really not expecting to like it.

I LOVED it. Got completely hooked. Think it helped watching back to back, as not sure I’d id have been so invested waiting so long between seasons.

I’ve really really tried to be open minded and without judgement for this season, but I’m just not feeling it. It all feels rushed and I’m not getting that sense of “OMG, what happens next?”

Can’t fault the cinematography or the music, they’ve been amazing, but so far they don’t make up for the sense of underwhelming that I’ve felt so far.

I still want to adopt a baby dragon though!!

Maisie Williams should get ALL of the acting awards for her performance. She was fucking magnificent in this episode.

The parting scene with The Hound was beautifully done. Neither ever acknowledged that he was a substitute father figure for her, but he was.

Rory also managed to bring such humanity to his character, in spite of all of the face make up! I thought the ending with his brother was beautifully symbolic, returning to fire.

No doubt Arya escaping on the Pale Horse of death will foreshadow what she does next week. I loved the throwback to Princess Shireen's death with the little girl holding the wooden animal.

Dany needs to be killed and I don't care who does it. Her underlying tendency to be brutal has been highlighted many times in the past.
Crucifying the masters, burning that guy when the dragons were captive in the crypt/cellar. The Tarlys. Totally fucking unnecessary.

Anyone who disagrees with her is accused of 'betrayal'. Jon should jump on Drogon and Dracarys the shit out of her! 😀

Plus, I am choosing to believe that Bran sent the White horse for Arya. He's got to have some use!

also felt for Tyrion & Jon Snow when they realised they had been left out of the loop by her and Greyworm.

@Lliod, that is an interesting take. I hadn’t read it that Greyworm and Daenerys had agreed even before the attack she would anniliate KL even if the city surrendered? I thought it was more a split second decision?

Yes lliod

I noticed that Grey Worm was the first to start attacking the Lannister soldiers again after they had thrown down their weapons. He kept shooting hard looks at Jon when Jon was trying to get the army to stop.

GW is the only one she still trusts and they are bound by their love for Missandei. I think GW will shop Jon to Dany for accepting the surrender.

When Dany heard the shouts of ring the bell she knew she had been betrayed by Tyrrion. Tyrrion had asked Jamie to ring the bell as a signal. No one had discussed that with her. That seemed to be the nail in the coffin. It was those shouts that switched her into the mad queen.