The Nights Watch: GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 EPISODE 4. May 6th UK. SPOILERS AFTER 2 am.

[OneInAMillionYou]

Hail survivors of The Battle of Winterfell.

The 'mysterious' episode 4 premieres tonight.

Who will be with us at 2am?

I am desperate to find out if Arya's kill is openly discussed and acknowledged, or does Bran take the credit, or does it remain a mystery.

Given Emilia Clarke has said Episode 5 is the one for which we will need 'bigger television screens' what will lead up to it?

If the "little brother" prophecy is a thing, then the baby in Cercei's womb qualifies so she might just die in one of those messy female gynecological ways that women do from time to time.

How does this work? Wasn’t the prophecy saying she would be killed by her little brother?

Surely she would have had Tyrion killed long before through some means if she thought it was her little brother who was going to kill her?

I'm sure it was a little brother.

*Surely she would have had Tyrion killed long before through some means if she thought it was her little brother who was going to kill her?

I'm sure it was a little brother.*

In the books she is absolutely convinced the Valonqar is Tyrion - hence she has put a price on his head. At the last point in the books, that is still the case.

In the show there is no Valonqar. The price on Tyrion’s head was due to the fact that she thought he killed Joffrey. Now she knows it was actually Olenna, she shouldn’t have any great motivation to kill Tyrion (other than the general fact that he’s supporting Dany).

As an aside, I don’t think there’s enough time left in two episodes to explore a pregnancy with either ‘queen’.

Aah thanks SweetSummerchild. I need to crack on finishing the first book.

As an aside, I don’t think there’s enough time left in two episodes to explore a pregnancy with either ‘queen’.
Yes definitely, not unless there is a huge mid-episode time skip to show Cersei dying giving birth (although she could die in miscarriage). Dani could still be pregnant but we won't see that either.

I think they would have made more of the little brother prophecy in the show if they were going to go down that road. As it is most viewers don’t know about it, and it would be a bit odd to reveal the prophecy at this point.

I thought Cersei was born first so Jaime could be the little brother....

I thought Cersei was born first so Jaime could be the little brother....

Yes

"My queen," said Qyburn, "have you . . . forgotten? Ser Jaime has no sword hand. If he should champion you and lose . . ."

We will leave this world together, as we once came into it. "He will not lose. Not Jaime. Not with my life at stake." (A Feast for Crows, Cersei X)

I'm still thinking about Arya...

Maybe the reason we didn't see how she reacted to the news about Jon is to set up an even bigger surprise as per killing the Night King.

Maybe she is going to try and kill Dany? She didn't take to her but acknowledged her armies were needed.
However, maybe she now resents that Dany is standing in the way of Jon becoming King of the Seven Kingdoms?

He is still a Stark, albeit cousin rather than brother and she loves him deeply. He also saved the realm by insisting the threat from the White Walkers was real.
It would also mean Sansa as Warden in the North, so Starks back to pre eminence, as if Ned had never been killed.

Given that Jaime might also be trying to kill Cersei, it would avoid a bit of assassin traffic jam around her! 😀

Jon is still half stark isn't he? it's just from his Mothers side, not his Fathers...he's as much a Stark as he ever was...or have I got muddled?

Of all the zany fan theories I kind of hope the one about another couple of dragons (eminating from when Drogon went awol for a bit is true)... if only just to see how annoyed Cersie would be...
I highly doubt it but it would be a good look for Dany...

Oh yeah, ignore me-Lyanna would have been Arya's auntie... I'm being thick.

Oh yes, I adore the fan idea that Drogon had babies 😂 I’ll forgive D&D loads of that one happens

I hadn't thought about Arya actually going after Dani OP. I guess it's possible, but Arya loves Jon and I don't think she would betray him by killing Dani unless Jon also turns against her (which I'm sure he will when she goes full crazy mode), so if it does happen I don't think it's her intention for now.

I don't have a problem with Arya killing NK, but if she kills Cersei too I will see it differently and be so pissed off. If she doesn't though I don't know what she'll do. Kill the mountain possibly after he kills the Hound in Cleganebowl (she could take the mountain), but after that it's hard to predict.

Oh yes, I adore the fan idea that Drogon had babies
I hate it 😓 and if he did lay eggs the only way I'd be happy with it being introduced is for Jon to have them at the end so we know dragons will survive. Preferably they'd be in Dragonstone though.
If Dani gets three baby dragons now it wouldn't help anyone, will be at least a year before they'd be useful and Cersei nor Euron is going to tremble at the sight of baby dragons.

Actually, I have wondered if the books were going to have Arya kill Dany.

But this is predicated on Arya being an agent of the faceless men. The faceless men taking Dany out made a certain sense, particularly if you’re an advocate of the faceless men conspiracy theory, which I am.

In the show as it stands there would be no logic to it. But who the fuck knows at this point. 🤷‍♀️

Yes, agirlhasnoname and lawrie

The way this season has gone, I feel able to voice my oddest theories on the basis that anything is possible given David and Dan clearly just wanted to get the whole thing over and done.

I'm probably a bit unreasonable about Arya, I love her character and I love Maisie playing her. The tomboy girl and her father is a situation I am very familiar with in my own life.

That said, I was actually thrilled she killed the NK, I was genuinely surprised and it made an already good episode even better, for me.

No disrespect to Jon. He is the moral heart of the tale for me, almost more of a Stark than any of them. I bet he is secretly gutted not to be Ned's son.

It makes absolutely no narrative sense at this point to have Arya kill Cersei. That’s Jaime’s ‘role’ now - to take that from him would just destroy the last vestiges of his redemption arc as he simply has nothing left to do at this point. It would be really crap storytelling.

I get that Cersei is still on Arya’s list, but so is the Mountain. As much as I hate Cleganebowl as a concept, it really should be the Hound vs the Mountain as he’s pretty much destroyed any chance of ‘becoming a pacifist’ as he is likely to do in the books.

Arya killing the NK I can cope with, as Jon and Bran still have other parts to play.

Arya killing Dany would fit with her book arc, but too little has been established about Maester/Faceless Men and the destruction of the dragons in the show and it would come from nowhere.

But if dragon had babies in season 5 how much time has passed? They may not be full grown but they would be big wouldn't they?

That said it's not a theory I buy into as with even 1 dragon it's obvious Danny will win with multiple it wouldn't even be a fight. I think is far more likely Danny wins but Drogon is mortally wounded and we end up with zero dragons as oppose to more.

Personally, I think the fewer dragons the better.

I agree @OneInAMillionYou - I reckon he is gutted not to be Ned's son after all.

Totally agree, I think we need to lose Drogon fast.

I can see Dany using him in temper to basically burn down kings landing. Then him getting killed by the dragon killing machine or something.

Then we have Dany, with no claim to the iron throne, no dragon to intimidate her enemies, no love from the people - basically lost.

Then she either sacrifices herself somehow to save Jon or Jaime kills her.

But if dragon had babies in season 5 how much time has passed? They may not be full grown but they would be big wouldn't they?
Yeh true, they would be decent sized by now if born during S5, but would have no training and basically would mean dragons swooping in to save the day for no reason at all. Even with all the crazy writing been going on I can't see them taking it this far.

All three dragons Vs Cersei would have been really overpowered, but considering how easily the first two died I don't think it's that much of an unfair fight anymore. They have lots of huge scorpions now, I don't think it looks good for Drogon.

There is a lot of full circle character arch's this season.

So when we first saw Danny she was alone and powerless being used as a pawn by her brother. I think her end will mirror this somehow so either totally alone with no one to trust on the throne (unlikely for me) or she looses everything goes completely mad and has to be taken out my someone my money is on John or Tyrion but I'm leaning towards John as I agree with pp that John has to have a specific purpose as that wasn't the night king! They idea of Arya taking Danny out is good too but I still can't see her having 2 big kills.

Yeah but Dany is a bit mystical isn't she-she'd have some weird dragon-y connection with the new ones...it would make no less sense than some of the other things that have occurred.
For me this season is all a bit rushed and cobbled together and I've always been fond of a dragon so I wouldn't be unhappy to see one or two more pop up.
The overacting by the guy who plays Euron would be something to behold anyway