The Nights Watch..GOT Season 8 15 April UK 2AM / US 9pm Spoilers after 2AM

[TheLazyDuchess]

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Honeyroar, if I understood it correctly Tomund and Co were at House Umber, the house of the male child (aka Lord Umber) who was sent home to bring his army to Winterfell, I think he requested horses and so on from Sansa at the council meeting. It was Lord Umber who was speared to the wall and Tormund and co decided that if they rode their horses hard they could make it to Winterfell before the army of the dead, as house Umber is the northern most house standing between the wall and Winterfell.

Ned did not remain friends with Robert Baratheon. He has never forgiven him after Elia's, Aegon's and Rhaenys's murder Robert rewarded the Lannisters with marrying Cersei.
As Winterfell is so far he could just stay North and not go to King's Landing.

Jasper I completely forgot about the mad king killing Ned's father and brother. Also makes sense that Rhaegar died before Jon was born.

I wonder if Lyanna knew that her husband had another son called Aegon. Surely they would have spoken about it .

Era Google research suggests that Elia and the children were dead before Ned reached his sister so maybe she already knew of all the deaths and it was meant as some sort of tribute to her husband's family? Rather than just duplicating the name of a living older child. Then again if you look at the English nobility in the late middle ages you do come across examples of children by a second wife having the same name as a living older half brother... Naming a later child after a deceased sibling was v common. And GRR Martin did draw on that period of English history a lot.

The Night King can't be a Targ, surely? Not if he was created by the children when they were at war with the First Men, who themselves were displaced, except in the North to some extent, by the Andals later on. And the Andals were subdued by Aegon the Conqueror subsequently.

There would have to have been Targs in Westeros before there were Targs.

I liked that this mirrored the very first episode. That episode ended with Jaime pushing Bran out of the window. This one ended with the two of them again in a very different dynamic.

Don't forget Tyrion is at Winterfell too so another of a very small team who can vouch for JL.

I am interested in Jamie's arc. We are reminded just what he was like in ep1 and how far he's come. He'd do anything for Cersei then.

I watched all of S7 yesterday again and the Red Witch tells Varys she must return once again to these shores (Dragonstone) to die. That they will both die.

Will Dany be pregnant? Will her child be the prince or princess who was promised? Will Cersei's child be it?

So many prophecies, theories to put to bed!

Ah thank you! I never twigged that it was the young Lord from the start of the episode, I was too busy waiting for White walkers to swarm out of a corner!

The character of Aegon Targaryen and what happened to him, is one of the big plot differences in the book. Book fans are still waiting to read about the tower of joy and Jon's parents being revealed. I hope Martin finishes winds of winter soon!

@HoneyRoar it was at the Umber castle called Last Hearth (most northern household before the wall) In the opening map credits Last Hearth is the first house you see after the Wall and it was completely surrounded by ice. I think that the map will move on each week as more and more of the land falls to the WW?

@takenforslanted you make a good point I hadn't thought of that there wouldn't have been Targaryen's in Westeros when the WW were created.

I wonder where Robin Arryn is? In the Vale?

I also wonder what the red wedding type scenes promised will be, and what will happen.

I don't like seeing Tyrion in cahoots with Cersei, I hope seeing Jaime desert her to do the right thing, will make him see sense again.

Now is Jaimie stupid or brave to ride into Winterfell. His only allies are Brienne and Tyrion. Arya and Sansa don't know that he gave Brienne Oathkeeper in order to protect them both.

Does anyone know that Jaimie pushed Bran out of the window? Will Bran tell anyone?
Dany won't take too kindly to meeting the man that killed her Mad Father, or will she? Her Dad was about to use wild fire on the city after all.

Caveat: I have a terrible memory (peri-meno). This means that I can watch the whole of GoT's over and over and its like the first time.

I think Jaime is pretty brave and quite honourable once he's away from Cersei. (Like when he went back to rescue Brienne from the bear put).

She was drinking wine and I don't know if she is that careless with her children.

Surely wine drinking by women in the Middle Ages wasn't an issue.

Now is Jaimie stupid or brave to ride into Winterfell.

They would be expecting him. Just not without an army.

I think Jaimie is brave and both honourable and dishonourable. He's one of my day characters. It says a lot about his redemption arc that I regularly forget the whole incest/attempted child murder...

My point was that he was going into Winterfell alone, without his army. That shows some guts. He is willing to fight for the living but will the Targ/Stark contingent except him to fight with them? Will Daenerys want revenge above all? It is only Brienne and Tyrion who have witnessed his honourable side after all.

Don't forget Jaimie still tried to kill Daenerys at High garden, it was only Bronn that stopped him.

Good questions Era

Loved seeing Theon do something brave.

Cersei ❤️ elephants. Who knew? 🐘

I wonder if she has even ever seen one. And how much she'd know about them except that they're big.

I think the Umber boy symbol looks a lot like the swirl at the weirwood where the first men created the knight king in season 6.

I agree that they really seem to be emphasising the more power hungry aspects to Danny's character.

So I have just caught up on last nights episode thanks for that work!

It was a bit of a slow episode in someways we didn't learnt a lot it seems even though lots happened but it was good. My one complaint I wish they had waited for Jon to ride the dragon. It would have been better had he known the true significance I think otherwise he could have jumped on last series. Felt a bit of a wasted moment for me.

My understanding in the show anyway is that Rhaegar ended his marriage to Elia and married Lyanna. I'm not sure in what order it happened but I think Elia and her children were killed as part of the rebellion. Then almost simultaneously Robert killed Rhaegar while Ned was rescuing Lyanna. The laws of succession mean I think (all though the seem pretty flexible) is that when Rhaegar died the crown passed to his descendants who everyone thought were already dead making Robert King. But in order for Robert to truely be king he would have had to kill Jon/Aegon as he didn't his claim is illegitimate and so therefore would gendrys be. However I'm not sure any of that will be relevant in the end as I'm not sure there will an iron throne/king/queen.

The symbol is definitely significant I wonder if it will be linked to the night kings end game is. Agree he is unlikely to be a targereon working on the timeline as we know it but I do think what ever he is after is linked to jon snow the literal mixing of fire and ice. I think I he symbol is a message but I'm not sure what yet. As it was present at his creation I think it's possibly either that he is getting revenge for what was done to him or completing his original purpose.

Jamie is brave. He has had a complete 180 since episode 1 I think it's interesting that his hair has gone from golden blonde to brown which I think shows what he has learnt along the way. While I want bran to say something I think he is beyond that now he is completely the three eyed raven and what Jamie did just helped him get there.

Wow sorry that was long but needed to unload somewhere as most people I know aren't watching till 9

Will Daenerys want revenge above all?

Good question it maybe a turning point for The Jon/Daenerys relationship too. He has sacrificed for the safety of the the north/the living. And will have to again. Jamie May have killed Danenerys father and tried to kill her but he also crippled Jon's brother and played no small part in the death of Ned, plus his family organised the red wedding! If Danernerys goes for revenge over what is best for the people that might be breaking point for Jon.

I'm torn - on one hand the ~idea~ of Dany going full out evil would be very interesting, but the way it appears to be panning out seems done so badly.

e.g. Sam telling Jon he gave up his title for his people and asking would Dany do the same? a) yes - she already has. If she had ignored the WW threat and just taken the three dragons to KL she would be on the iron throne by now. b) Jon flat out admitted he didn't want to be KITN - asking someone to give up something they didn't want in the first place is very different to asking someone to give up the one thing they've wanted 'since they were old enough to want anything.'

I just don't get Sam's sorrow for his family at all, anyway. His dad was a complete dick to him, who threatened to kill him, and insulted him and Gilly repeatedly. His brother he saw once in about 6 years with no apparent warmth between them. I honestly don't buy that he would be broken hearted about their deaths, particularly as he didn't go to the effort of even checking if his mother and sister, the family members he actually liked were alive.

• re: the pp who commented about the lack of chemistry between J&D. There's a bts vid on instagram that shows Kit fake gagging after breaking off the waterfall kiss - apparently he said that it's really weird kissing Emilia because they and Rose are all such good friends and have known each other so long. I mean....that's why it's called acting.....

Rhaegar has not ended his marriage to Elia. Elia got pregnant with Aegon shortly after the Ashford tourney where Rhaegar met Lyanna. Elia nearly died of childbirth and told that she cannot have another child. Rhaegar needed 3 heads of the dragon, ie children, for the Prince that was Promised prophecy.
So Rhaegar "abducted" Lyanna who was on her way to the wedding of Brandon Stark and Catelyn Tully in Riverrun. Lyanna was moved to the Tower of Joy in Dorne (Elia is Dornish). Lyanna was originally betrothed to Robert Baratheon.

Brandon rode to King's Landing demanding to fight Prince Rhaegar, but him and his father (and their friends like the Arryn heir) were killed by Aerys. No one officially knew where Rhaegar was. The rebellion started, Ned Stark, Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon called the banners. In the meantime Rhaegar and Lyanna were shagging in Dorne.

At one point Rhaegar decided to put in a brief appearance in Kings Landing. He took the 3 best Kingsguards with him to guard Lyanna. 3 other Kingsguard led the troops and the 16-year-old newbie Jamie Lannister was told by Rhaegar to protect Elia and her children. Mainly from Aerys.

In the end Robert Baratheon killed Rhaegar by the Trident. The Lannisters realised they have to make a choice. Tywin never responded to Aerys's begging letters, but turned up at King's Landing with his troops. Sacked the city. Elia was brutally raped and murdered by the Mountain. Children were brutally murdered by Lannister soldiers. Jamie killed Aerys to stop KL being blown up. Sat on thrine to see who claims it.

Ned left in a huff over the murder of the children to lift the siege of Storm's End. On the way he got word where Lyanna was. Ned kill Kingsguards. Baby Jon went to Winterfell and got there before Catelyn, now married to Ned, even got there. Not a happy new wife there.

Robert married Cersei to reward the Lannisters.