Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

I think a couple of mortgage payments is neither here nor there compared with some of the dubious things they paid for. The litigation left right and centre. Trying to stop Amarals book being published can’t have come cheap - and they didn’t achieve it anyway

Isn't it all kind of irrelevant? Even if they did do some dubious stuff it doesn't mean they killed their daughter.

Today 08:37 fruitbastille

Isn't it all kind of irrelevant? Even if they did do some dubious stuff it doesn't mean they killed their daughter.

See, it’s interesting that the moment anyone criticises the McCann’s actions, some people assume that means we think they killed their daughter. Why would you even think like that?

I don’t think they killed their daughter. But their accounts are riddled with inconsistencies over pretty major aspects.

I said earlier: the real issue for me is that right from the start it wasn’t a simple, single agenda of wanting desperately to find their daughter at any cost. I think it was wanting desperately to find their daughter while simultaneously trying to save their professional reputations and avoid any accusation of neglect. It was this which muddied the waters from the start. The entire group had a lot to potentially lose... their livelihoods, and it must have gone through the McCanns minds that they might lose their other children to care.

So I don’t think they did anything to directly harm their child. But I do think from the moment she was missing, there was more than one agenda going on ... the inconsistent accounts, refusal to cooperate with a reconstruction, the appointment of company directors and setting up a company within days, the threats of litigation left right and centre. Most parents of missing children would have one single goal I feel- for their child to be found, and it wouldn’t even cross their mind to be trying to save their own skins at the same time

acciocat, I agree totally.
They did not harm their child .
Their crime was to leave three very young children unattended.
They lacked sense and parental instinct and they were selfish putting their own enjoyment ahead of their responsibilities .

their accounts are riddled with inconsistencies over pretty major aspects.

acciocat can you list these please and give details ?

Kate mentioned several times that they didn't have s 'buggy' for the twins.
Why not?
How stupid!
Every parent knows a push chair is invaluable when you have young children.... they can sit in it , walk for a bit and it's great for putting kid's paraphernalia and shopping in!

A bit of hassle to take on a plane but well worth it .

Peridito it’s not hard to find them yourself. Other posters and I have (wasted?!) spent hours of time on other threads answering questions from you, and you’re never satisfied when you get the answers!

Ok, just as a very quick answer - the McCanns told relatives that the shutters had been jemmied open (GM’s sister reported this in a news interview shortly after the disappearance.) There was no evidence of them being forced and KM writes in her book that the shutters were easily openable from outside anyway. There are also inconsistencies in the time lines given - a certain degree would be natural as no one can remember exact timings, so that’s where cooperation with a reconstruction would have been very helpful to get an accurate a picture as possible about who was checking the children when. The McCanns also state on their website and in the book that MM was abducted when this isn’t an established fact.

Of course- none of these inconsistencies mean the mccanns harmed their daughter. But to deny there are inconsistencies is absurd.

It's strange that people in general seem to dislike them. I don't believe they are guilty at all. Rather stupid to leave their children alone but I'm sure not the only parents who have been stupid and got away with it.

I think there's a part of us who is tired of their endless campaigning. But how can they stop? They haven't a clue where she is, it's not possible for them to shrug their shoulders and stop.

Peridito it’s not hard to find them yourself. - I've been reading through the PJ Files over the last few day and not come across any
" inconsistencies over pretty major aspects".

Other posters and I have (wasted?!) spent hours of time on other threads answering questions from you, and you’re never satisfied when you get the answers! -
One thread not " other threads"
And I didn't find the answers to my 2 questions satisfactory because they only established that the McCanns believed their daughter was abducted and did not show them insisting that there were no other possibilties nor that they were claiming they were in the possesion of facts .
And I asked repeatedly why this was such an important issue to you and never got a reply .

I asked two questions ,as below ,and was given quotes where the McCanns talk about abduction .

Is there a direct quote somewhere where the McCanns "insist" that there are no other possibilties ?

Where do the McCanns say that it is a fact that Madeleine was abducted ?

It's this tendency of yours to exaggerate that ,for me ,discredits your posts .

There was much more sympathy for Sara Payne, for instance, and she was also composed in front of the cameras. Denise Fergus was utterly distraught on camera but had a fast, but terrible, resolution. She had nothing but sympathy.

Sara and Denise are now both composed on camera and understand the media.

GM really just caught on much quicker and was highly focused on the job in hand. KM i believe could barely speak at the start.

I have to say I admire their tenacity and focus. They've been immovable in the face of unrelenting criticism.

I’m sure the parents of any missing child never ever give up on them. And although I can’t imagine how they ever thought it was ok to leave small children alone like that, I don’t think that’s the main reason they evoke negative feelings. I mean there are a few deranged people who post vile things about them leaving the kids but I think they’re a very nasty minority. I honestly think the negativity is more about how they’ve conducted themselves since ... their obsession with litigation, their determination to try to protect their reputations rather than focusing solely on their missing child, the whole PR aspect of it.

Denise was getting money out of her purse!

Perifito, I have watched about 5 YouTube clips of the McCann's being interviewed....they contradict themselves constantly....in one, they Kate claims to have come in by the patio doors, in another she says she came in by the front door.....and lots more like . Due a bit of research and you will be quite shocked at the level of inconsistencies.

They'll be being advised every step of the way, these aren't people who welcome fame or celebrity. Like most of us being in the public eye would have been anathema to them.

Peridito- this is getting tedious now. I think claiming the shutters were jemmied open and then admitting they hadn’t is a pretty major inconsistency. You clearly think it’s minor. I think the fact that they call the disappearance an abduction on their website, and that KM writes that she ‘knew’ MM was taken, is a clear indication that they don’t accept any other possibility. You don’t. So let’s just agree to disagree

The account of what happened that night has inconsistencies because before Madeleine vanished they had no reason to recall the events iyswim, if they had something do with her disappearance then don't you think their version of events would be more water tight than it is? I can't remember what timeline I kept yesterday let alone the added stress of a missing child thrown in.

So your examples of major inconsistencies ( off the top of your head I presume as there are so many ) are

Gerry's sister saying on TV that Kate had told her that the shutters were jemmied . I'll have a look over the weekend to see if I can find this case changing quote .

There are also inconsistencies in the time lines given - a certain degree would be natural as no one can remember exact timings, so that’s where cooperation with a reconstruction would have been very helpful to get an accurate a picture as possible about who was checking the children when.
Apart from differences in timing which you think is to be expected ,your view that a reconstruction would have cleared up inconsistencies is just that - your view .It's not an inconsitency in itself .

The McCanns also state on their website and in the book that MM was abducted when this isn’t an established fact
you've made this point many times .I'm still none the wiser why it's so important to you .
And it's not an inconsistency .

But to deny there are inconsistencies is absurd - why do you say this ? I'm not denying that there are inconsistencies ,I'm saying that I've not found any and asking you to point me in the direction of them .
I'm still ploughing my way through all the interviews and reports on the JP Files - pretty detailed and lengthy so if you can provide a shortcut and say where these " inconsistencies over pretty major aspects." are it would help .
And just to be clear it's those over pretty major aspects that would be interesting to me ..

I think it’s very strange to try to compare this with the Bulger or Payne cases. In the Bulger case, the mother was doing her shopping and momentarily took her eyes off her child. In the Payne case, four siblings were playing together, in a familiar place in daylight. That’s massively different from leaving three under-4 year olds unsupervised while you go out for dinner

Denise Bulger was in a shop with james and paying for something when he went missing iirc. She had not actively left him alone. Regardless of what happened the mccann children , by their parents own admission were left alone for at least 30 minutes at a time.

I think claiming the shutters were jemmied open and then admitting they hadn’t is a pretty major inconsistency

here you go again ,Gerry's sister says ( supposedly ) on TV that Kate told her the shutters were jemmied .Kate says that the shutters could easily be opened from the outside .

Can you not see that this is not the same as Kate saying one thing and then "admitting" ( such loaded vocabulary ) that they were easy to open from the outside ?

Can you not consider that Kate may have said to her sil that they must have been jemmied ? Do you not think it's possible that that kind of remark ( if indeed she made it ) might have been made while Kate was distressed ,hysterical ? Or that the SIL asked Kate whether the shutters could have been jemmied and Kate's response was that they could have been ?

That description of shutters being jemmied is certainly not in the statements given to the JP by Kate .

To quote it as an example of how their accounts are riddled with inconsistencies over pretty major aspects is in the same category as

your inflated description of me involving posters in wasting hours of time on multiple threads answering my questions and me never being satisfied . Hyperbole .

And was about your obsession with the McCanns believing their daughter had been abducted and them not acknowledging that their belief had not been proved ie it was not a FACT .

alaric77 “...but other cases such as James Bulger everyone has nothing but sympathy for a mother who was not watching her child properly because she was shoplifting”

Where did you get this info from?!

Christ peridito- give over! You ask a question, then when you’re given an answer you’re tying yourself in knots trying to second guess how/ why those inconsistencies might have occurred.

I have stated that there are inconsistencies over major aspects. You seemed to want to deny that. Now that you can’t, you’re playing armchair detective trying to mind read why KM might have said/ done whatever. I’m not interested in speculating over all the ‘might be’ and ‘maybes’ because it leads no where.

The fact of the matter is there is no substantiated evidence of why MM disappeared after almost 12 years and millions of pounds being spent. Tragic, but true.