Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

SavageBeauty, I think Bobster is referring to the info disclosed by Katherine & Arul Gaspar, as discussed in earlier posts.

You can google the information. It was given during police interview. Sorry, I think his wife is actually called Katherina, not Katherine. Both are Dr’s giving information about a conversation they witnessed between Dave & Gerry. How it relates (if at all) to the disappearance of Madeleine is unclear though.

It doesn’t cast David Payne in a pleasant light, that’s for sure, but it also doesn’t prove he had anything whatsoever to do with whatever happened to Madeleine.

David was having a conversation with Gerry about Maddie, referring to her in a highly inappropriate way, you have to Google the rest I don't want to write it. Apparently it happened twice.
I don't know if I can get through these last two episodes, pretty harrowing.

I've just googled 😱

Amaral's theory is that MM woke up and went looking for her parents, climbed up on the sofa to look out of the window then slipped and fell banging the wall and landing on the tiled floor. This is his explanation for the blood alerts in the apartment. Then, one, or both of the parents found MM, tried to revive her, but couldn't and thus began the cover-up.

This theory has never been proved or disproved.

Equally you could suggest that Madeleine had been abducted by aliens and that theory has never been proved or disproved either.

I mean, Amaral seems rather convinced that the McCanns has access to a large freezer or fridge in which to store their daughter's body, before disposing at a much later date. Which seems pretty crackpot to me.

Personally, I think the McCanns are only guilty of leaving their children unattended, being a bit cold and unlikeable, and having an incongruously slick a PR machine.

Why TF would two well-educated people, finding their daughter had died of a head injury after a tragic but banal accident, decide to hide the body? Utter nonsense.

The Portuguese police based their theories on a previous case in a neighboring town . so even before they began the investigation Amaral was certain the parents did it, . i think its still not proven that the Portuguese girl was killed or even sold to child traffickers .

'Why TF would two well-educated people, finding their daughter had died of a head injury after a tragic but banal accident, decide to hide the body?'

Again, I don't think this is what happened but IF it did I can see that they had an awful lot to lose. Judgement over them leaving this kids and perhaps sedating them would have been even harsher than it is now if it was proved that a death had resulted from those actions. Criminal convictions, public vilification, the loss of their GMC registrations and therefore their jobs and financial security not to mention the loss of custody of their other children - that is a heavy list of consequences.

‘fictional drama’ being the key point there.

Yes, that's why I said fictional. Sadly no one knows what actually happened so theories and suggestions are all there are.

Worse than not giving your beloved daughter a decent burial and facing suspicion of murder for the rest of your life? I don't think so. Well-educated, middle-class people brought up to trust in the justice system and the police simply don't think or behave that way.

Well that was a pretty harrowing watch, I had to space it out over the week. My thoughts are:

The Portuguese police were utterly incompetent and Amaral is a disgrace, his insistence that his theory was correct ensured Madeleine would never be found. Swift action could have apprehended an abductor but everything seemed to happen so slowly. It wouldn't have taken long to get Madeleine out of Portugal either by car or boat. The roads must have been quiet at that time of night, I live in a city and there's barely a car on the road after 10pm, a call out for all patrol cars to stop and search vehicles never seemed to have happened. Likewise with coastguards. The whole investigation seems to have been an utter shambles from the start, I can only imagine how frustrating it must have been for the McCanns.

Do not understand why the dodgy men going around the resort claiming to be collecting for an orphanage weren't the prime suspects from the start, in particular the one who showed an interest in the woman's child and was found in her house on the day Madeleine went missing! Also appears to have possibly been the same man seen hanging around the kids play area on the beach. To me they and the resort staff are the most likely culprits.

Also I really think open borders in Europe has made people trafficking very easy, you can literally travel across several countries in a few hours with no checks. It really does seem to me that is the most likely scenario in this case. I really felt for the Spanish private investigator, the things he must have seen and as he said they can never been unseen.

Lastly, I know a lot of people here in the UK, and on MN have issues with the ever growing increase of CCTV on our streets but ultimately it could prove very useful in a situation like this.

Would i ever have left my DC alone in a holiday apartment? No I wouldn't, I'm actually much more hyper vigilant on holiday than I am at home, but I have nothing but sympathy for the McCanns, they are living every parents worst nightmare, I can't even look at Kate without getting a lump in my throat and I hope to god they find their little girl one day.

@pottypotterer my friend drove from England to Malta and only had passports checked once, and they were in a van, so proves your point about border control being rubbish.

The British police would nt have checked all cars either. If a child is abducted they are usually killed near to where they were taken from. I don't get the vilification of the PJ, a child was missing from an unlocked apartment. In 100s of cases that child would be found alive ,nearby, having wandered off. Have you ever watched that missing programme? They don't go into full scale panic mode immediately.

It is a real shame a reconstruction wasn't done. I think that would gave jogged peoples memories.

Completely agree that a reconstruction could have helped establish an accurate time line.

And people are deluded if they think the British police would have had road blocks up .... most children who go missing will have wandered off (I would imagine the percentage goes even higher when the children are unsupervised and left in an unlocked building in the first place.) Where something sinister has occurred its most likely to be perpetrated by family members or people close to them anyway, and the British police would absolutely have been looking at that angle too.

Its a total myth that good old British PC Plod would have sprung into action and stopped cars etc the minute a kid goes missing

Each year on average 62 children under the age of five die as a result of an accident in the home.

I suspect that figure is MUCH higher than the number of under 5s who are abducted from their home by a stranger

Yes of course more children die of accidental death than there are stranger abductions. But they do happen. Like the tragic case of April Jones for example.

Yes but the police are obviously going to look into the most likely scenario too I thought April Jones knew her killer?

Is there any truth in the rumour that Sky news was one of the first to be called by the McCann group?

April jones was abducted by a neighbour her body was never found but I think they found bones in his fireplace 😕

potty potterer excellent post.

I agree with every word.

Bobstar I was thinking of the film, day of the jackal and how he had to go to elaborate length to hide gun in car.
No need for that now.
I've read lots about open borders and how it's been boom time for drugs, sex and gun runners.

Potty, don't forget the attacker operating in the area as well who got into children's bed's.
I can't believe we've never heard more from all these people

I fell asleep watching episode 5 last night.

I'm shocked that anyone would defend taking money from the Find Madeleine fund and using it to pay their mortgage. If there's nothing wrong with doing that, why weren't they upfront about it beforehand? Why didn't they call it the Find Madeleine and Pay Her Parents' Mortgage Fund? Because that wouldn't have got as many donations, obviously!

To the people saying that they wouldn't have kept the story in the media if they had anything to hide: life is rarely that black and white. It's the same logic people use to defend Michael Jackson: "If he had anything to hide, he wouldn't have agreed to appear in that documentary in 2003, and he wouldn't have admitted that he still liked to sleep with little boys after the Chandlers' allegations." Ian Huntley, too, voluntarily appeared on several channels to talk about how he was the last person to see Holly and Jessica. He seemed to enjoy the media attention. Who knows? If their murders had never been solved, he still might be popping up on anniversaries to tell the media about his memories of that day.