Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

Absolutely agree Cholly.

To continually rake over what Kate’s first words were etc is utterly pointless.

What’s far more unsettling I feel is all of the subsequent behaviour, starting shortly after the event and stretching over years and years. I don’t personally believe the parents were directly involved in the disappearance. But there is a complete lack of transparency about the timelines, there are so many inconsistencies, there is a total lack of any clear evidence of what happened. And yet the parents are insistent that MM was
Abducted from her bed. That’s clearly the line that they want everyone to believe. And it may be the truth. But it may not be. There are other possibilities.
It just doesn’t feel right that a huge PR machine (which is basically what’s running) is trying to dictate what we should believe, in the absence of any firm evidence.

I saw the interview with Kate and Gerry on YouTube on the 10th Anniversary. It's so so sad and you can see in some ways how they have been trying to rebuild their life for the sake of the twins. You also see such tiredness and a sign of acceptance I think. Do look it up.

I'm not sure about the being stolen from her bed either, surely the covers would be removed more.

The last two episodes were so difficult to watch, Madeleine is just one case out of thousands missing cases.
I don’t think Madeleine wondered off looking for her parents, the only logical conclusion is that someone got in through the door picked her up and went out the window.
Maybe the were there the night before , didn’t Madeleine say she and her brother were crying The night before.?

Her bed is so neat. My kids wriggle and pull the covers all over the place

Maybe they did drug them all, so they know she couldn’t have got up and wandered off? They’d hardly be likely to SAY that, but they know that she must have been taken. Or maybe because, if she WAS taken, there’s a tiny infinitesimal chance she’s still alive but if she wandered off and had an accident or got knocked down, that chance is gone?

I doubt they give a stuff what you or any of us believe, as long as people don’t forget their daughter. But what would be the point in them saying in public, “Yes, she probably just wandered off.” even if they might think it privately sometimes? Would it make any of the endless ghoulish speculation, insinuation and nitpicking end? I doubt it. People would be saying, “Well, why are they saying it NOW? They should have said that 12 years ago. They just want more publicity. It’s probably a scam to get more money to pay their mortgage.”

If she had “wandered off”, she would have gone through the door, not the window. Also, wasn’t her cuddle cat put on a high shelf? She couldn’t have done that.

It disgusts me the way people are so cruel towards the parents for leaving the kids alone, yet other parents of murdered children do not face the same criticism.

Girlraisedinthesouth but we don’t know that Madeleine was murdered. I don’t feel there was transparency in this case, or complete cooperation, for whatever reason. No one has any idea what happened and that remains the same all these years later.

KM has explained why she doesn't believe that Madeleine wandered off of her own accord - she couldn't have opened the window or shutters and the front door was locked so her only route out of the apartment would have been to open the heavy patio doors, open a stair gate at the top of the steps, climb down the steps then open another gate at the bottom. She knows her daughter better than anyone and has excluded the possibility of this happening.

I'm not sure about the being stolen from her bed either, surely the covers would be removed more.

But surely if she'd got up and wandered off, she wouldn't have made her bed either? More likely someone picked her up and pulled the duvet across afterwards? Or that her parents pulled the duvet off completely to look for her, then whipped it back across? Or do you think that photo was taken the moment Kate discovered she was missinbg? The crime scene was completely messed up by people searching for her. Or are you trying to imply she was never in the bed?

I find it so strange that Kate found Madeleine missing, ran back to the restaurant and left the twins in their beds in the same bedroom as a missing child. I would have had the twins under my arms screaming for help.

I find it so strange that Kate found Madeleine missing, ran back to the restaurant and left the twins in their beds in the same bedroom as a missing child. I would have had the twins under my arms screaming for help

You think you would. But in reality we all act differently in that split second. Her mind would have been frantic with worry.

There are lots of bits about this all that I find so strange, I don’t think the McCanns have been totally truthful but I don’t think they are killers either.
The way the case was handled by all parties, the police and the McCanns, I don’t think the truth will ever be known. There is not any substantial evidence pointing 100% in any direction.
It’s dreadfully sad

Kate said she knew it was an abduction as Cuddle Cat was on a high shelf , and also that MM wouldnt have gone anywhere without it.

But in that photo, isn't that CC on the bed??

Another question - why did they wash CC? It really does seem odd to wash something that was your missing child's favourite toy.

Anyway, as a PP said, the tapas bar is actually really close to their apartment - I had always been under the impression it was at the other end of the complex.

Final point - she was never ever called Maddie by her family, yet everyone refers to her as that - the tabloids, posters online etc. That would infuriate me hugely if she was my daughter - it isn't her name. Similarly Denise Bulger has referred to her son James being repeatedly called Jamie in newspapers etc, yet was never called Jamie, ever.

I am unsure what i think happened but the thing that intrigues me is why jump to the conclusion there was a intruder the night before because Maddie says they were crying the previous night?? My kids cried for all kinds of reasons when they were 2 or 3 .....bad dreams, scared of the dark, heard a noise, too hot/cold, tummy ache etc. I never once considered that they were crying because there was an intruder. That bit doesnt make sense to me.

I don't think they considered it before she was taken. If one of your children went missing the night after she'd woken crying, THEN you might wonder if there had been a sinister reason for the crying the night before.

I bet the Maddie thing came about because people can’t spell Madeleine!

Tabloids love a nickname/shortened name. Look at Prince William - "Wills".

‘I doubt they give a stuff what you or any of us believe,’

Oh I completely agree- I don’t think they give a stuff. My point is nothing to do with them caring what any one individual thinks (and god knows you don’t have to look hard to see what general opinion is.)
My point is that what matters is real substantiated evidence. Of which there is none. So you have to wonder why they are doggedly inisisting that there is only one possible explanation.

We don’t actually have watertight, consistent timelines. Things such as the shutters, whether sliding doors were locked/ unlocked/ closed/ajar ... all of these things and more have been presented differently at various times. I remember in a very early tv interview with one of the grandparents (this was literally about the next day) they said they’d spoken to the parents on the phone and that the shutters had been jemmied open. Yet in KMs book she said the shutters were easily openable from the outside. I said on another thread that therefore it’s possible a tipsy passer by, returning from a bar had just rolled it up on passing (like people sometimes bang on doors etc) and its got nothing to do with the disappearance. One poster tried to completely dismiss that suggestion as ludicrous - which is ludicrous in itself!

That’s my point. There are various possibilities. None of us know. To completely accept the one theory that the mccanns insist on means ignoring the many inconsistencies and gaps in the accounts of that evening.

Of course, it’s quite possible that despite the many inconsistencies, the mccanns theory is correct. Just because time lines and other events don’t match up, doesn’t mean that didnt happen.

My view really can be summed up as: I feel desperately sorry for the parents. None of us know the exact events that happened. I feel uneasy about the huge PR machine behind all this and the millions of pounds thrown at one case despite a single shred of evidence in almost 12 years.

I have heard that she never washed cuddle cat

It was a vicious rumour that was then taken as fact

For me the biggest reason I have never left mine ( even outside in a pram asleep in the garden ) was because of the fear of them being taken. Illogical I guess but there nevertheless, I read that KM had had a bad feeling about the holiday before even booking it and maybe even subconsciously it was something she feared, her reaction of absolute distress and blaming of herself ( screaming and crying that they had let her down ) might have been because she knew she wasn’t really at ease with leaving them.

Maybe that was the reason she jumped to the abduction scenario immediately, I think in her shoes I would have done the same.

Finished watching it and all that jumps out is people clutching at straws.And yet another documentary where the only possibility is she was taken from her bed.

What are all these other possibilties that the McCanns keep ignoring ?

Ppl talk as though there is an endless list and the Mc Canns are proving their guilt by insisting on one . But really either she was taken or she wandered off .

Kate doesn't think she would have wandered off - front door was locked ,sliding doors tho unlocked were heavy and then child gate to open .Not impossible I'm sure .But why do the Mc Canns come in for so much criticism because they are going with the most likely option ?

And to me inconsistencies in ppl's recollections suggests the truth - they were a group on holiday ,with different circumstances re checking children ( sickness of offspring so parents taking it in turns to stay behind ,intercom use so not checking ) drinking wine and relaxing . Checks being done by different parents on different schedules ,one doing them for another family .
Then shocked ,horrified ,little sleep - I'd err on the side of caution and estimate that checks were more frequent than perhaps they were .

If everyone's recollection was the same then I'd be suspicious and suspect they'd got together to agree a storyline .

There is CTV of the Tapas bar that night which was viewed by the local police ,I imagine if anything glaring was amiss it would be flagged up .

‘Ppl talk as though there is an endless list and the Mc Canns are proving their guilt by insisting on one . But really either she was taken or she wandered off . ‘

I said the exact opposite just now. The mccanns aren’t proving their guilt. Personally I don’t think they are directly involved in the disappearance.

But there are other possibilities. That’s simply a fact. And in the light of no actual evidence of what happened, I’d prefer to keep an open mind rather than blindly accept what the huge PR machine wants to tell me.

But what are the other possibilties ?