Madeleine documentary

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New documentary due to be released on Netflix on Friday.

I've covered this subject quite extensively while I was studying law. I will be watching with a heavy heart, it is just one of those cases I can't let go of sadly.

Anyone else going to be watching?

The dogs were taken to several different apartments in the complex

Personally I find it quite unlikely that no-one had ever bled in any other of the different apartments in the preceding two years or however long. No shaving cuts, no scrapes and bruises, no nosebleeds, nothing.

But they would have been cleaned on each changeover. Presumably 5a wasn't allowed to be cleaned

I thought the police had found the apartment smelled of bleach and the curtains had been washed?

I don't know how anyone could say they came across as cold. They both looked absolutely devastated but trying to hold it together, especially Kate. I think Gerry was very much of the 'trying to hold it altogether, trying to protect his family, trying to control things so they stayed on track looking for his daughter' and that came across as a bit controlling generally.

I don't think they were involved. Unless it was a very elaborate crime involving cover ups, subterfuge and Madeleine dying earlier in the evening and I just can't see it. Like others said, it doesn't add up, and why would they keep bringing it back into the public eye.

I think they did what they could, took whatever connections and funds they could, did whatever they could to feel like they were moving it forward and making a difference.

The documentary was so sad, especially when talking about the dark web and the 'catalogues' of children, it made me feel physically ill and infuriated that it can happen and that it's known that it happens.

I also though the Portuguese detective was arrogant and had tunnel vision about the McCanns but also hopelessly out of his depth. You see it again and again when the world's media turns up to report on a story, the local police want to get a result and shut it down especially if it's going to affect tourism. Italy, Thailand...it's happened in many places sadly and I think this was another of those occasions.

Yes but these are MAGIC DOGS that can smell a drop of blood AFTER TWO YEARS. Or so people seem to believe. Or, more likely, they're fallible and possibly picked up on vibes from their handlers. It's not an exact science.

@huntinghighandlow I got the impression the apartment was rented out pretty soon afterwards and wasn't clear whether the dogs were brought in before or after that? There was a lot of detail about the dogs which I got quite bogged down in while watching so forgive me if I've got confused!

When TF are they supposed to have washed the curtains?

Any missing child/adult there is a reconstruction. That's the first odd thing to me.

secondly people at the time said these investigation firms they hired were throwing a lot of red herrings about and this appears to have been confirmed by Jackson and son.

Thirdly they tried to make out the pj's had done nothing but there was boxes of stuff they'd looked into, not all pointing the finger at the Macanns.

Fourthly, this paedophile hotbed, same happened in this country Rotherham, Jersey, Rochdale.

It's the twins that will be going through it now they are of an age to access the Internet.

Fifthly the only person in the documentary that didn't seem to have an axe to grind was the dog handler.

@andylion, yeh that confused me as well. The Canadian couple seemed Anglican (and they were married, so they must have been!) and yet the McCanns went to a church service there. BUT that might have been because it was in English.

I watched the first and that was enough. So drawn out

"On the night of their daughter's disappearance, the McCann couple asked for a priest. The priest of the Luz church, José Pacheco, did not respond. The couple knew, even before they had gone to Praia da Luz, that the Anglican priest Haynes Hubbard celebrated masses there and lived with his wife. He had a friendship with McCann's family members. "

From:-

joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-secret-visits-of-mccanns-to-church.html?m=1

The priest didn't respond!? Wow.

Glad there was an alternative.

I'm on episode 4.

I stayed at the same hotel as the McCanns did at the weekend. It was difficult not to stare at them!

Not sure why my post was deleted when I just pointed out the fact that the bleach and washing curtains was a lie and not documentated anywhere? . I think they are totally innocent and my heart goes out to the McCanns.

I haven't got Netflix so haven't seen any episodes. I remember the officer in charge said he believes Madeleine died in the apartment due to a tragic accident, did he appear in the documentary?

Yes he did Hunting and ended up discredited.

You need to make your own mind up about him.

With due respect to the awful awful tragedy this is - the presentation of episode one was so abysmally tedious.....

Not watched it yet, but I believe the parents are innocent and I hope their names can be cleared one day. I think it is preposterous to suggest that their daughter died in the apartment and their immediate thought was to cover it up, get their friends to collude with them, hide the body, leave the twins in the room and calmly eat a meal. If the friends didn't know, then Kate would not have let the friend do one if the checks. No way would the friends have all agreed to cover up a murder and stayed quiet for 12 years!
I would never leave my child the way they did, but nobody deserves this punishment. Things can look bad from the outside without context. I was shopping with my toddler today and he was being awkward and not coming down the aisle. I did the "ok see you later" and walked ahead, of course he ran to join me. But if viewed on CCTV I would have looked awful! It's so rare for a child to go missing like this that there is no rulebook of appropriate reactions.

Some people seem to focus on Kate saying "they've taken her" or whatever she supposedly said.

A few weeks ago my mum phoned me twice in the middle of the night. The first call woke me, and in the seconds before she called again it crossed my mind that at least 2 close family members might be dead, or another family member had been in some kind of disaster/been arrested. If anyone had been with me I might have said them out loud. She'd phoned me by accident.

My point being that a million things would have gone through their heads immediately after. She's gone. They've taken her. It doesn't seem odd to me.

It's not about whatever words Kate said in the immediate aftermath though. It's the continual plugging of the abduction from the room theory to the exclusion of all other possibilities. Even now, how can they be so sure that she get up and wander outside, fall down, get run over get abducted from outside etc.

It's not about whatever words Kate said in the immediate aftermath though. It's the continual plugging of the abduction from the room theory by the family and friends and the total exclusion of all other possibilities.

Even now, how can they be so sure that she get up and wander outside, fall down, get run over, get abducted from outside etc. It's just odd to have such a fixed view when the reality is that no-one knows what the hell happened to the poor little thing.

I stayed at the same hotel as the McCanns did at the weekend. It was difficult not to stare at them!

did you ask for a selfie with them?

And to the pp who said MM might have been abducted by a family who wanted to adopt her - adoptive parents don't steal other people's children FFS!