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Leaving Neverland: Michael Jackson and Me

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SachaStark · 06/03/2019 15:51

Anybody else planning to watch tonight? Part 1 of 2, 9pm, Channel 4.

I'm very intrigued to watch. I remember the Martin Bashir documentary being aired years ago, and the various backlashes/criticisms that happened afterwards.

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 08/03/2019 11:07

Are you telling me not one one had the bravery or courage to do what was right over that time???

They have, but as you said they've can't PROVE what they've seen.

PrincessScarlett · 08/03/2019 11:14

Me too CaptainKirk. I grew up watching the films of Corey Feldman and Corey Haim. What I've read over the years about what they both went through as children is truly horrific.

calpop · 08/03/2019 11:36

Anyone who will not see that MJ was a paedophile should also watch the Oprah Winfrey interview. Very powerful.

SpanishFly · 08/03/2019 11:38

I'll watch the Oprah thing later, don't have time just now. What's the gist of it? What does it say that isn't in the documentary?

SinisterBumFacedCat · 08/03/2019 12:12

I think it is very sad how the woman is always the scapegoat for men's abuse

This!!

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 08/03/2019 12:14

The truth is none of us know. We are just forming our own opinions and beliefs.

To have a go at those who don't believe and calling us 'paedophile apologisers' and 'enablers' really is not factual, does not put you in a credible light and just shows the emotive at play here. Because you are thinking emotively, not logically and subjectively. If you were you'd know what the fuck an enabler or aplogiser is.

Have your beliefs. That doesn't give you the right to make ridiculous insults and comments about people with opposing views - comments that are not true.

ccmrob12 · 08/03/2019 12:16

James ‘when I first testified as a kid, I didn’t think of there being others’ even though another child was claiming Jackson abused him in court and that was why he was there in the first place.

It’s funny he told Oprah the first he knew it was abuse was when Wade came out. Funny that, he said in the documentary he told his Mum Michale was a bad man when he was asked to testify in 2005. Another fact he can’t get straight. There are so many loopholes and inaccuracies like this through both stories but people still believe them.

It’s true that facts don’t lie, people do.

staydazzling · 08/03/2019 12:17

i too have respect for Corey Feldman , he was treat disgracefully by the #metoo crowd who i assume deemed him not relevant or elite enough to matter,Sad

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 08/03/2019 12:17

www.eonline.com/news/1020858/7-of-the-biggest-bombshells-from-oprah-winfrey-s-after-neverland

there you go spanish Headline is clickbait - further revelations would be pushing it, bombshells is drama llama-y, but it sums iit up well enough

CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 08/03/2019 12:18

i too have respect for Corey Feldman , he was treat disgracefully by the #metoo crowd who i assume deemed him not relevant or elite enough to matter

Yes, like he was the butt of a joke.

PrincessScarlett · 08/03/2019 12:27

Corey Feldman has been treated disgracefully for years and years because people don't want to accept the entertainment industry has turned a blind eye/been complicit to child abuse on a massive scale.

The stories he tells are so horrific that as great as the me too campaign is, it is almost as though me too doesn't want to be associated with something THAT bad.

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 08/03/2019 12:29

@dulra

Part 1 here (not a link to a link)

calpop · 08/03/2019 12:30

The thing is, its not really about new evidence, or new revelations, or microscopic scrutiny to see if they say something, when describing the last 20 years, that's contradictory or out of order. Its about the effect that child sexual abuse has on children and about how its not all violent rape. That's highlighted very well in the Oprah Winfrey interview. Until you get that you can't really see it for what it was i think and this thread will just be continual back and forth between the people who can see that, or have experienced that, and the people that still need blood stained pants, or maid's testimonies to see it.

HowlsMovingBungalow · 08/03/2019 12:32

Hollywood has been a paedophile cesspit for decades.
MJ played a tiny part in it but hopefully this documentary will open peoples eyes to the rampant child sexual abuse in the entertainment industry.

princessTiasmum · 08/03/2019 12:39

This video is very hard to watch, and brought me to tears for these 2 young men

certainlymerry · 08/03/2019 12:40

If I were these men (who I totally believe), I would say publicly that they don’t want money from the estate. Then there would be no ulterior motive and they would surely be believed across the board.
Speaking their truth is the liberating thing, not the money.

princessTiasmum · 08/03/2019 12:41

I mean the Oprah Winfrey one

mydogisthebest · 08/03/2019 12:42

I agree TripTrap, NONE of us know the truth. Yet there are posters saying they 100% believe the stories.

I have never said I totally disbelieve the stories but having read quite a few articles I find a lot of it not credible. Plenty of people on other forums, in papers etc saying they don't believe it.

So why is it ok to believe totally even though you can't possibly know for sure and yet it's not ok to have doubts?

I see that MJ's records are climbing the charts so obviously quite a lot of people don't believe it. But of course according to all the clairvoyants on here that is because they are MJ superfans!!

certainlymerry · 08/03/2019 12:42

Although I found the documentary heart breaking and truly horrifying to watch, I think it’s a really positive thing in helping many people understand how child sexual abuse can affect victims and families. Also how credible their abusers can appear and how manipulative they can be.

mydogisthebest · 08/03/2019 12:43

Certainlymerry, well exactly. Why do they want money? Such a large amount too. Really makes me believe them

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 08/03/2019 12:44

I believe them

Michael Jackson was a brilliant entertainer, performer and musician. He was also a paedophile and a very clever one at that. He was rich and powerful enough to pay people off.

You can admire his music and performing while acknowledging he was a deeply flawed individual who abused children .

And all the way through the documentary I was shrieking at parents who allowed MJ unsupervised access to their children. Never even in a million years would I have allowed MJ such access to my son. Anymore than I would allow any other unknown person to do so.

Sleepovers with a grown man? Never ever.

mydogisthebest · 08/03/2019 12:48

Howls, I am not part of an MJ cult as you so kindly put it. I don't personally think much of people who 100% believe or disbelieve a story when they have NO possible way of knowing whether it was true or not

I have no time for people who think everything is black and white because it bloody well isn't.

So what about the FBI investigation?

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 08/03/2019 12:49

mydog

A lot of people who aren't MJ fans don't believe either. But I'm sure people won't believe that... Just like there are many of you on here not believing Macauley and Corey when they say they weren't sexually abused by Michael.

People believe what they believe. MJ was my childhood idol, I do not believe but I know there is a possibility. But having looked at everything objectively (and I have, and yes that has hurt at times and I have seriously wondered!) I don't believe. I won't slag off and make ridiculous comments about those who do believe.

By the same token, those who do believe should hold some questionning and doubt, look past the emotional response the documentary was designed to invoke, and say they believe rather than stating it as a fact and making ridiculous comments about those with a differing opinion.

Vixxxy · 08/03/2019 12:51

The amount of friends on FB who are coming out with awful awful stuff to defend MJ is upsetting me a bit. Its one thing not believing their story. Its quite another saying, paraphrasing 'the abuse couldn't have been as bad as they say because if it was no way could they not have told anyone at the time' and 'its obviously lies as they want money now because a real victim would have not dared lie on the stand' and such. The amount of myths about child abuse that is coming from people I previously considered intelligent, and all because the person they enjoy listening to is the one accused, its depressing.

Ribbonsonabox · 08/03/2019 12:56

Omg yes. Facebook is a cesspit at the moment. The things people are saying about these men and the insults that are flying about... all to defend MJ... cant they see what they are doing to other survivors of sexual abuse? It's disgusting... what would someone, especially a child think if they read any of that? No wonder people dont come forward and try to bring their abusers to justice!