The Cry

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Cant see another thread - anyone watching?

“Surely what he did was terrible but it wasn’t a cold blooded murder so did he really deserve to die for it?”

We heard twice that remorse and guilt increase as time goes on. Through his abusuve manipulation that is the life that Alistair condemned Jo to. His continued obsession to take Chloe from her Mum and Jo not wanting that life. Him having his daughter and having done all he did to Jo in concealing the death of Noah being in the service of that self interest.

Plus him insisting that having another baby "or two" would make it all better. Like one child is just a replacement for another.

I still think Chloe was weird.

Is her behaviour true to the book or are they lining up a second series where she goes after Joanna?

I think Chloe was true to the book

She gave an interview in the book and her mum was cross and said she'd help then Chloe posted flyers in the book and her mum helped her and was proud

Alistair went nuts at the mum about both

There was no love lost between Chloe and Joanna though.

Interesting, so you learn more about the fringe characters in the book?

I downloaded the book with the free audible trial after watching first 2 episodes and I felt like the show was fairly true but that I knew the characters better yes

Also, I assumed that the online stuff Chloe had been reading was blaming Jo.

There wouldn’t be love lost between Chloe and Jo: she saw them in the bedroom, lived with her Mum in the aftermath....very much the OW who took her Dad away.

Then when A’s Mum and Jo came over, Jo was treated to A playing happy families with his live Dd while all she had was pictured of Noah.

That’s when she asked to go for a drive....

Venusian
you are absolutely right.

I don't understand how he buried a dead baby at a construction site without anyone noticing. I know it's fictional, but it makes no sense.

In the book you know pretty much straight away it’s the medicine (I read the sample).

I guess if Alistair went to the building site after they stopped work for the day there’d not be likely to be many people around to notice him.

I don’t suppose all building sites have round the clock security or CCTV.

I think Chloe holding the photo is trying to still get publicity for Noah.
It's a reminder the family still don't know the truth.

I think it was a good story. We didn't see much of Jo's family because it was all about Al's family.

I wonder if the mum knew the truth.

I keep thinking we have to suspend disbelief. They land in Australia and baby is found dead on the way to their “cottage” where there is someone there to help them settle in and she doesn’t ask to see the baby! There is a grandmother who isn’t desperate to hold the baby. I have probably missed things but throughout it seems increasingly unbelievable. Still enjoying it tho.

But they avoided going to the grandmother, didn't they? Chloe and Grandmother were waiting and were then told Jo and Alaister and Baby wouldn't come until after they had had a rest etc.

Alaister fended off the cottage lady, when Jo was sick over the balcony.

I liked the way Under The Boardwalk was played over the final episode's credits. It had previously been heard playing in a tinny way outside the late-night supermarket they visited immediately prior to the 'abduction', plus in all the flash backs.

But we heard the full version over the credits at the end, sort of summing up Joanna's only desire being fulfilled: "...down by the sea, in a blanket with my baby is where I'll be".

Never thought of that, InkyToesies , good one.

Inky. Do you watch with subtitles. Normally I pick up on lyrics because I do but missed this.

Hello Marcie. I sometimes watch with subtitles (especially when they mumble!) but this time I just had an earworm plus I like Motown. And it suddenly clicked about the baby.

Al is a monstrous manipulative and controlling shitkettle.

A shitkettke! I would have agreed, even if I didn’t, just to use that magnificent expression.

He even lied after he lost his job. ‘Just walking round ‘ indeed. He went straight to book publisher woman.

Selfish and self absorbed.

I think he did love Noah though.

@VenusInSpurs it's one of me fave swears.

Ah ok inky. Well spotted then. :)

Just finished usher, loved it. What was the business with Alex, the shovel and compost? Just a decoy? X

Good summary Thecatsthecats

He didn't commit murder but he committed soul murder to Jo, or attempted to.

His destructive (sociopathic) personality became apparent to her. Self serving need to win at all costs and take no responsibility. No empathy for her and very manipulative.

Very good acting.

foldup, the proposal was definitely after Noah's death and once they were back in Glasgow. She was astounded that he'd propose on Noah's birthday after what happened.

Any and Gemini, the trial was a murder trial, not an inquest. At the end of Ep 3 we hear the single charge of Alistair's murder being read out.

The big thing with her having 2 sides in the first 2 episodes was never explained fully was it? Or was it just so obvious that it didnt need to be - she showed 2 faces - grieving mother and guilty party?

I agree, this was made a big thing at first but then it sort of faded away. I didn't really get, either, the significance of her asking the psychiatrist 'do you believe my story?' Was she simultaneously asking whether she believed the story that she just took her eyes off the road accidentally AND asking silently whether she believed the circumstances of Noah's disappearance and the story she and A had been spinning ever since? It was a bit vague.

The ending was a bit unsatisfactory for me. I get that she was finally able to offload the guilt she'd felt about thinking she'd killed Noah, but she still has to live for ever with the knowledge that she along with A hid his death. Even in the face of people still looking for him. That'd be a hell of a thing to live with.