The Cry

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Cant see another thread - anyone watching?

Has Alistair been to his ex’s house to enable him to plant the bootee? I’ve lost track of which house is which with all the flashbacks.

Was it a police office that Alistair was talking to who said they shouldn’t be seen together? I wondered if he planted it during the search.

Was the meeting between Alistair and the police man, ex of Alex, in current time or not though? I may have to re watch.

I hope there isn’t a ‘dodgy copper’ element to it as it will make it all too easy and contrived.

I think the baby died in the car as a result of an accidental overdose. I reckon they discover it when they pull over by the burnt shack which is why the driver saw Jo hysterical and running for the road. Alister convinced her to pretend he was kidnapped because he overdosed Noah and he doesn’t want to lose the opportunity to get Chloe back because he’s a controlling fuck nugget.

I think they left the body in the path of the bush fire but I think it’ll be discovered.

Does Alistair still have keys to exwife's house?
There was a comment made by police man/woman when they went to interview her that she'd lived there all her life and that she and Al had been childhood sweethearts.
If that's the case, not beyond the realms of possibility that Al and her had lived there together at some point.
That would give him the means to nip in and place bootee.

Not buying the theory of it being given as a gift, sorry.
Who would give anyone one bootee?!

I don't think the plan was to frame ex wife but parents are willing to have her placed as main suspect as it then takes the focus off them.

I think that makes sense re timing LuggsaysNotaWomen. Last week when we saw the scene with them at that shack, when Alistair’s on the phone, behind him you see Jo walk over to the car and open the door the baby’s seat would be next to and then it cuts away.

I don’t know if he could have persuaded her into a fake kidnap plan so quickly though? Surely your first thought would be to call an ambulance even if you thought it was beyond hope, just in case?

I also can't believe that baby is still alive.
Manipulative and pursuasive as Al is, there is NO way Jo would have left her baby if he was still alive.
She may have been half mad with fatigue etc but she loved him as only a Mum can - hence, holding on to the yellow bib - she had to have a small piece of him.

I also think, as mentioned by PP, that the bush fire, smoke was significant.
It was possibly a combination of drug mix up and smoke inhalation in such a young baby, that killed him.

Al's spin doctor job is all about thinking on your feet quickly.
Find yourself in a shitstorm? How can you use this situation to work to your advantage?
This is what he's doing and Jo is going along with it, so far, as nothing will alter the fact that she's lost her baby.

I think the baby died too. Which makes the breast pumping scenes even more poignant.
The phone in the wardrobe - someone (Alistair/his mum?) must have put it there for her? The police said they would be monitoring all social media so she is using the phone to post under the fake name. She seemed to already have that account set up though?
I also wondered - when she asked if she could use the car (obviously she wanted to get a sim card) why was Alistair so keen for her not to go alone? (if he knew about the phone he could have got a sim card for her?) Is he genuinely worried she was having second thoughts? Is that why he looked concerned when he saw she had kept hold of the bib? Because he was worried she hadn't been able to "let go" easily and might slip up.
And what did she mean when she said "we need new rules" at the end? That came from her concern over the ex and child not deserving any of this. So is she suggesting from now on no one else gets hurt by it??

I have looked up on google the ending from the book.

I am still interested in viewing the series. Only two episodes left!

It is a bit bleak but it is getting better now we know they are hiding the truth.

For people talking about why Jo is expressing, isn’t it just because she needs to get rid of the milk? You don’t just stop producing milk overnight! In one scene she woke in pain and I assumed it was because her boobs were engorged with milk and so she had to physically get rid of it by expressing.

I think when they went back to the car at that shack, the baby had died as a result if something to do with medication on the plane. The row the man saw was her panicking and him trying to calm her down and make her listen to his plan. She just had a bundle when they arrived at the house - which is why he kept the old woman away from her. He is looking for public sympathy so he can get his daughter back. I think he is drugging his wife and framed his ex-wife.

I think he is drugging his wife and framed his ex-wife.

He's giving Joanna sleeping tablets, but are they really sleeping tablets? The bruise on her arm is also key.

The bruise on her arm may relate to him 'holding onto her' to stop her from running into the road (as per social media comment made by a possible witness).

It all seems a bit convenient that there's a spare phone in the cupboard waiting for her to find...

It could all be a double bluff, and it could be that she is responsible and Alistair is trying to protect her.

Aargh I really don’t want any spoilers though, might not read any more of this thread just in case.

AlanBrazil you could be correct. Nothing is quite as it seems.

Sorry if already mentioned I am late to thread and just reading from last night.

What were the bottles of stuff she was drinking on the plane? After mention of her backache.

There were two - one had her pain meds in it and the other was something for the baby's teething pain...

I thought this was an excellent drama, nothing too unbelievable, not too many red herrings/suspects and a twist already.
I think the jumping time scales work

I think they're setting up the ex wife. But I think something went wrong. The baby wasn't meant to die. I don't believe any mother would just go along with covering that up. She agreed to a fake kidnapping, and then it went wrong.

The interesting part was the man showing Jo running towards the road and Al chasing her. When Jo saw that on the news she looked worried. Almost like the game had been given away.

That's an excellent deduction that the court is UK. Hadn't even thought of it! Does add an interesting dimension of what happened next to it.

What was going on when Al's mum gave the ex wife some stuff to put in the freezer? I thought there was some meaningful eye contact going on.

I think the ex noticed the breast milk frozen in bags in the freezer whyOhWine

Not sure if the look that passed between them was just one mother to another sympathizing over the sadness of having to freeze breast milk whilst not knowing whether you'd every see your baby again or whether there was something more sinister to it?

For people talking about why Jo is expressing, isn’t it just because she needs to get rid of the milk? You don’t just stop producing milk overnight! In one scene she woke in pain and I assumed it was because her boobs were engorged with milk and so she had to physically get rid of it by expressing

I agree but why make a huge thing out of it.? Why highlight it? Why show the bags in the freezer. How many other dramas of babies going missing show this. I think there may be more to it.

It’s unusual for a screen mother to be breastfeeding at all, let alone have them show her expressing.

I think Noah is still alive, though I don't know why where, or with whom. MIL knows about it, hence the frozen breast milk in the freezer. I assume she is sneaking off and taking it to wherever the baby is as no one will be monitoring her.

[Clutching at straws is the speciality of the house.]