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The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 (UK Pace) - thread 3

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CruCru · 27/06/2018 19:01

Hi all

Here is the next thread for those who are watching The Handmaid's Tale Season 2 on Channel 4. Please don't put any spoilers on this - the other thread (for those in other countries who are watching ahead of the UK) is:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/3239228-Handmaids-Tale-Season-2-SPOILERS-VIEWING-AHEAD-OF-UK-SREENING

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TeenTimesTwo · 09/07/2018 12:43

I was surprised how much empathy Lydia showed this week. Also at how much talking the handmaids were allowed to get away with in the shop compared to series 1!

Is it getting away with, or more that before they didn't know who they could trust so didn't dare speak out? But now they maybe realise that none of them like this new world order and so won't rat on each other?

Or is it that handmaidens realise how much they are needed by the state (given they have brought some back from the colonies), so they feel they can get away with more?

(I'm not very good at this literary dissection - enjoying all your comments very much).

TwoSweetenersImBitterEnough · 09/07/2018 12:46

I wonder what punishment June will get from Fred? Serena was beaten. But June is pregnant so he can't do much. I have a feeling it will be a punishment shortly after the baby has arrived. As soon as she isn't pregnant he will do something terrible to her. Probably rape, as we have all seen how creepy he is being with her lately. A very easy power move for him which he knows will hurt her both physically (being post birth) and emotionally (because they had a 'connection')

Really really really need a Lydia backstory! I feel like she was a nun.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 09/07/2018 12:49

Delurking - loving this thread and the series.

Any insight into the suicide bomber? When that went off I thought "Mayday's back" - but, there's nothing int he last episode about it. Except the handmaids are talking, they knew the martha was a neonatal consultant.

The baby's overnight recovery was a bit odd to watch, failure to thrive wouldn't change with just a cuddle. Childlessness by choice hasn't been a theme - what would happen to a Wife who did not want a family? She'd be as subjugated as the rest of them - and may well land up poisoning a baby she didn't want, who was born from an affair between her husband and a woman that was imposed on their relationship.

Bloody brilliant to reference the "men are afraid..." quote. I want Margaret Atwood to be my BFF. Love her.

TeenTimesTwo · 09/07/2018 12:50

I feel like she was a nun.

You could see her running a Magdalen laundry in the past couldn't you?

TiredPony · 09/07/2018 12:59

The baby's overnight recovery was a bit odd to watch, failure to thrive wouldn't change with just a cuddle.

I thought this too.

Hygge · 09/07/2018 13:25

I would also love Aunt Lydia's backstory. I can see Aunt Lydia as a midwife, not one I'd want helping me, but I can see her as one.

Perhaps one who has had a secret, botched termination or knew someone that had one and died, and that turned her against any kind of contraception or termination and which made her go over to Gilead ideology as a result of her own experience.

I do think there's going to be a crackdown on the women connecting, but I'm thinking perhaps at the moment even the guards are finding Gilead a bit lacking.

Perhaps some of them are feeling the same way as the Handmaid's. Or not quite the same way but Gilead isn't new any more, they might be getting a little bored and a little complacent. Plus after Commander Creepy was set up by Serena and 'Fred' took control, Serena used this opportunity to relax some things a little.

But I do think a crackdown is coming all the same, for everybody, now Fred is back and worse than ever.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/07/2018 13:49

Aunt Lydia as tortured sinner - I like it.
It would help explain her willingness to be cruel to be kind.

TeenTimesTwo · 09/07/2018 14:01

No one in Gilead has any free will really.
So the guards like Nick, might get a woman, but not love.
Everyone is afraid of being found lacking and being punished.
Even the commanders are plotting against each other.

So who has 'won' with this new society? Whose lives are 'better'?
Aunt Lydia's?

eyycarumba · 09/07/2018 14:05

I feel like she was a nun.

My money is also on nun! A very pious, sanctimonious one. I read somewhere someone thought she may have been a gym teacher or was a lesbian, but I don't feel either fit. Ann Dowd is fantastic though, loved her in The Leftovers too where she was similarly harsh.

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 09/07/2018 14:26

Copying & pasting an extract from an interview with Ann Dowd in Vanity Fair, about her take on Aunt Lydia.

There are NO SPOILERS. This is UK safe.

In Dowd’s eyes, Aunt Lydia does not yearn for control for its own sake. Instead, the actress believes her strict enforcement of Gilead’s rules come from a place of insecurity. For Aunt Lydia, the rules keep everyone safe—even the handmaids who suffer as a result. “I’m sure at the root of it, there was a profound fear of losing control of herself—just a profound fear of the world falling apart, and she will not be able to bear it,” Dowd said. “I don’t know how else to explain people far to the right. The rules, the laws are just so, so strong. What are you afraid of? What do you think is gonna happen here?”

At one point during filming, Dowd recalled, Miller suggested that Aunt Lydia might have been a real teacher before the coup that created Gilead. That idea sparked all sorts of possible backstories in Dowd’s mind for her character: “Imagine spending years teaching. Did she have a baby at 13? Did she have an abortion at 13, or just plain old have sex and then, because she was raised in a religious environment, just fell apart and said to God, ‘If you save me from this, I promise for the rest of my life without exception I will honor you?’ I mean, you can imagine that, whatever contract she made, just to be allowed a second chance.”

Dowd’s Catholic upbringing has heavily informed her performance as well. She recited a specific prayer she believes defines Aunt Lydia: “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways, acknowledge Him and He will set your path straight.” In Aunt Lydia’s eyes, Dowd explained, she is suffering just as much as the handmaids. In her own mind, she’s the shepherd desperately trying to lead her flock to safety—because if she fails, they’ll all be led to slaughter in the Colonies.

It’s Aunt Lydia’s twisted devotion to the handmaids—her “girls,” as she often calls them—that Dowd pinpointed as the source of her deepest angst. Aunt Lydia’s monastic lifestyle leaves room for little else. “She lives alone in the dorm,” Dowd said. “What does she have? She has the girls; that’s it. She’s not going to read because reading is not allowed. So what’s it going to be? Playing Solitaire? Doubt it.” But at the same time, Dowd said, Aunt Lydia’s love for the women unsettles her. “That wall begins to slightly fall apart,” Dowd said. “It’s not as strong and steady. And no one has ever said this to me. The writers have not said such a thing—but I think that’s the real danger for her, is attachment."

TheGoldenWolfFleece · 09/07/2018 15:11

Interesting. You can see how attached she is to Janine and i think she has a grudging respect for june.

Mistressiggi · 09/07/2018 16:41

Re the “tummy rubbing” scene, while doing that Serena quoted a phrase from the 14th century (female) Christian mystic Julian of Norwich. Presumably something she read before the start of Gilead!
It seemed an interesting choice.

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 09/07/2018 16:43

All shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well?

Very interesting choice - the first woman to write a book in English, quoted by a woman who pledged to give up her own literacy.

Mistressiggi · 09/07/2018 16:45

That’s the one Smile
I didn’t know that about the first book, clearly not an accidental choice then.

MargoLovebutter · 09/07/2018 16:54

Julian of Norwich was famous for her message about God's love and compassion and that it was humans who sought out violence and vengence, which had nothing to do with God's love. So, yes, very clever and interesting use of the quote.

AWomanIsAnAdultHumanFemale · 09/07/2018 17:11

I can totally see catholic convent school coming through in aunt Lydia. She is my convent school headmistress (nun) ringing in my ears. She didn’t poke us with cattle prods though Wink

Xenia · 09/07/2018 20:09

I wondered if the two plucked from banishment were brought back as some kind of spies but I might be wrong as no evidence of that yet.

iheartmichellemallon · 09/07/2018 20:13

I think life will get much worse for June now as Serena will want vengeance for June having witnessed her getting beaten & the commander is just an evil fucker who will most likely rape her - I don't actually think the pregnancy will keep her safe from that. I feel very worried for her now.

ShakingAndConfused · 09/07/2018 20:13

That last scene with Janine and the baby was so poignant. What will they do? The baby obviously needed her mum.

I sing the same dusty springfield song to DS Sad

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 09/07/2018 20:19

I think he will rape her as soon as the baby is born.

Kitsandkids · 09/07/2018 21:18

I find the scenes with Angela so heartbreaking as I have a 1 year old daughter and cannot imagine having her ripped away from me then being told she's ill and thinking she was going to die. I felt so sorry for Angela - raised by a woman who doesn't love her. She must be miserable, poor little thing. I was so happy that she had her mother's love again at the end. But how long will Janine be allowed to stay with her? If they do decide Angela was 'failing to thrive' I wonder if Aunt Lydia might step in and argue the case for Janine to be used as her 'nanny?'

I really want Serena to turn 'good.' I want her and June to be friends. I want her to say 'fuck this, I was wrong, life here is shit, let's grab Hannah and flee to Canada!' Or do something to bring about the end of Gilead.

seasure · 09/07/2018 21:24

Kits I have the same hopes . So desperate for Serena and June to be friends and for janine to stay with the baby . But I can't help think none of it will ever happen .

CurbsideProphet · 09/07/2018 21:42

I don't want Serena and June to be friends. I want Serena to admit that Gilead is evil and to help June and Hannah escape to make amends. Doubt it will be that easy!

Xenia · 09/07/2018 22:21

It is all very well done as it is not black and white. Instead we see how people in a sense become part of the culture or group they live in and have to make compromises all the time just to survive and what is acceptable to one person is not to another.

I am hoping Serena will help women to rise up and overthrow the men.

it is not good science that a baby would suddenly recover because it's genetic birth mother cuddles it rather than its adopted mother though and why we do we think the adoptive parents don't love the baby? Surely they probably do.

iheartmichellemallon · 09/07/2018 22:31

Warren's wife (can't remember her name) clearly couldn't stand the baby though & was extremely cold towards her - ignoring her cries (even Serena hinted that there was something wrong with the baby but Warrens wife was ignoring it).

It can't be compared to an adoption - she clearly didn't want the baby from her husbands rape / affair with Janine. This is not a much loved nor wanted baby (unlike Serena & June where it seems Serena really does want June's baby).