Dr foster new thread...sept 20 2017 *Contains Spoilers* [edited by MNHQ]

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Bloody loving this.

Even if there are inconsistencies.

Welcome back all.

fox that scene was very difficult viewing wasn't it. I knew Kate was going to leave when Simon shoveled food into his gob. You could literally see the hate on her face.I like Kate, I know she was the ow and I shouldn't but I think she's a class act and she left the bastard.

I think she swerved to avoid him.
She's not going to kill him. She was just trying to scare him.
There's got to be room left for series three.

What a total bitch. She set out to sleep with him last week and seduced him.

I'm hoping Gemma gets her comeuppance in the final episode too.

Jesus Christ what is it on mumsnet?

I see this attitude on here constantly.

Husband is a lying cheating rat who breaks his marriage vows but lets all blame the woman for it

As for Kate, Simon was fucking his wife Gemma the whole time when they first met and now Kate finds it gross?

Simon will do or say anything to get what he wants. He doesnt give a shit who he hurts. I remember the utter devastation on Gemmas face when she found out about the affair and Simon lied through his teeth and Kate thought she was pretty smart and clever and ran Gemma down. Kate got what she deserved, hopefully Simon will too.

As for Kate, Simon was fucking his wife Gemma the whole time when they first met and now Kate finds it gross?
That's exactly what I said, glad I'm not the only one thinking it

NikiBabe I agree. Why the hell should she not get revenge on that bastard. It serves Kate right- she thought because she was younger he would never cheat on her. She was a stuck up, annoying cow in series one, very smug about sleeping with a married man. I know the fault lies with the husband, not the OW, but why on earth should Gemma show consideration for Kate's feelings when Kate showed none for her's.

As for Simon, he is a twat of the highest, highest order and frankly deserves his entire life to unravel. What kind of an evil bastard also tries to turn his son against his mum (when he was the one in the wrong, who wrecked his marriage and walked out on his family)? I have zero sympathy for Kate or Simon, but I am glad that Kate finally grew a backbone.

I caught last night's episode but haven't seen any of the previous in this series, so I have a question for you.

Is it true that Simon made the same wedding speech to he and the song was her favorite, or did Gemma make all that up to fuck with Kate?
Is struck me that there was no-one there to verify those facts, so Gemma could have changed history to do the mind-fuck.

Kate's dad 👍
He did it for all of us who's dads weren't alive when our marriages/ relationships to nasty little pricks went pear shaped.

Highlight of the series that.
I'll have to rewatch it.

It's possible that Gemma has made the whole thing up, but it all seems very true what she's saying and she was willing to prove it all to Kate with the Photo's.
I wonder if the Speech was in Simon's handwriting, and that would be why Kate believes Gemma.

Kate's also only just doing uni now.

She was 23 in series one and had been fucking simon since she was 21. She was living is a house paid for by her parents and driving a car in her mums name bought by her parents. She didnt appear to work save for helping out in her dads restaurant.

Lazy bitch sat around not working, not in uni and living off her parents money, fucking a married man and thinking she's shit hot. Well now look at her. I dont feel sorry for her at all.

Gemma had to work for everything she had and everyone in series one betrayed her and lied to her.

That's true. And last season I was with you on that. But I've changed my mind now.
People need to move on, Kate and Simon are married (unhappily it appears) but they have moved on none the less. I know we are meant to believe that Simon hasn't and all this has been about Gemma but I don't buy that he is/was obsessed with her. I think Gemma is the one who's obsessed and revenge was her agenda. That's not OK, and it's absolutely not OK when children are involved. Seriously if you where giving advice to Gemma you would tell her to leave it, it's damaging her already fragile mental health and no man is worth that.

People need to move on, Kate and Simon are married (unhappily it appears) but they have moved on none the less. I know we are meant to believe that Simon hasn't and all this has been about Gemma but I don't buy that he is/was obsessed with her. I think Gemma is the one who's obsessed and revenge was her agenda. That's not OK, and it's absolutely not OK when children are involved. Seriously if you where giving advice to Gemma you would tell her to leave it, it's damaging her already fragile mental health and no man is worth that

Well, if he had moved on, why not stay away? Yes, he grew up there but come on, I don't live in the town I grew up in and I have no desire to. It's hardly asking the world for them to stay in London, far far away from Gemma. By coming back, throwing that ludicrous party in their new mansion, sending an invite to Gemma's house, rubbing it in her face at every opportunity, how was she meant to react? It had been only two years as well. I think most women would find it very hard to move on in that short period of time after finding out their husband of 14 years had been screwing a 21 year old, got her pregnant and merrily walked out on his wife and son to start a new life.

That's not OK, and it's absolutely not OK when children are involved

Which Kate/Simon did not give a shit about during their affair. At least Amelie is young enough to not be as affected by her mother's split from her father.

Plus if Simon didn't want to have sex with Gemma, he could have chosen not to have sex with her. I presume he has a functioning brain.

Gemma had moved on. She was still in the town yes, but it was more for her son's sake. He didnt want to leave his home or school and any mother would stay for the sake of their child not to cause any more upheaval.

There is no suggestion Gemma obsessed over Simon when he was gone for 2 years. She barely gave Kate or him the time of day when they left at the end of series 1.

Simon moved back and started a campaign to get rid of Gemma as soon as he moved back. He sounds like the obsessed one. He just couldnt leave it out and leave well alone.

Papa this seems to be getting a bit heated your points are valid and I have to admit I do agree with you in some aspects. I think I may have just enjoyed someone standing up to Simon at last and seeing his world start to crumble. So I was cheering on Kate's dad etc. I guess none of that would have happened without Gemma's involvement, so it's a good thing and Simon would have continued shagging anything that moved.

Oh, I am a big fan of Kate's dad. You would always support your child (and grandchild) in that situation I think, so I don't blame them for funding Simon's lifestyle for a bit when their daughter was hell-bent on pursuing this relationship.

But I really don't think Gemma is the one who did not move on. Remember than Simon told his uni friend Sian that Gemma 'would be gone in 2 months' before he had even moved back. That guy is twisted.

Prasanna Puwanarajah, who plays teacher James, is ironically a fully qualified doctor IRL.

I don't think Gemma swerves to give him a lift, I think she does it to scare him then races off because in the preview for next week which aired immediately after the show she's saying to Tom 'We have to leave your dad knows where we are" so I think she gets there before he does

I don't think Simon knows how to love anyone. He was obsessed with Gemma then became obsessed with having Kate too - in his awful speech to Kate he only talked about her body, her age and her 'kindness' he didn't once say he loved her etc.

I think Kate stupidly believed him when they were seeing each other - that he and Gemma weren't happy and didn't sleep together anymore. I was so pleased she threw him out.
Kate totally got that he was always going to be obsessed with Gemma as well - her face when she was calling him out on the flowers etc - and his face when he was trying to explain it stutteringly as a game ...I wonder if that's really how Gemma and Simon both see it - as a game. With poor old Tom in the middle.

Amelie has had a lucky escape being whisked away by Kate so she doesn't get caught up in it all...

Of course Gemma hasn’t moved on! Why would she have done all that in yesterday’s episode to screw over Simon if she had. She’s damaged goods, a car crash of a character.

preview for next week which aired immediately after the show she's saying to Tom 'We have to leave your dad knows where we are" so I think she gets there before he does

Makes sense, thank you.

I saw Kate in a new light yesterday. Not nearly as soft as I had first thought. She has an element of control of Simon as everything they have is paid for by her family. Financially, he has brought nothing to the marriage.

Quick thinking on Kate's part to inform Gemma Simon had confessed all about the affair. It certainly confused Gemma- she had nowhere to go from there. It gave the impression he had enough respect to tell Kate everything.

Simon is a slimeball. When he cried after Kate left I wondered if the tears were for Kate or the lost business/lifestyle/ connections. He had it rather cushy living off of her parents.

I don't care anything about any of them apart from tom

I've read that next weeks episode features a set piece scene in which it's just the 3 of them ( Gemma, Tom and Simon )
It also says that Gemma hears some shocking home truths from Tom, and that she reveals some shocking truths from her past that explain her behaviour.

Wow. I didn't expect all that this week!

Am still uncertain of what and how that all happened though.

Is Gemma bonkers or telling the truth?

I am pleased that Simon got his comeuppancce though. He's just breezed through getting his own way so far.

What happened to Kate's brother?

In an attempt to bring some levity back to proceeding, I offer the following observation:

Conspicuously ABSENT in this week's episode:

1. Shaggable Neil and Revolting Roz (could they be making the beast with two backs?)
2. The nude block heels. Who has hidden them?
3. WINE. Approximately 189 units of white wine remain unconsumed.
4. Anna on the Driveway. What is she doing INSIDE a house?
5. James. Upset by the comments made on this thread about his fetching mustard and polka dot ensemble last week, methinks.