Liar Monday 9pm

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I'm sure there are many planning to watch this tonight but I can't see a thread, apologies if there is one.

Looks promising with good acting stock. I'm already worried about the implications for real life reporting and conviction rates if the female is lying. Got a feeling it won't be that black and white though.

This has veered way too far into ridiculousness now

Agreed. Last night's episode was utter shite. What started out as something that had the potential to raise some interesting debates around consent and social norms of female sexuality has veered into total farce. Huge disappointment.

I missed a bit last night. Did they actually show how he got her address? Just thinking he could have looked at her Hospital records and that’s how he’ll get found out in the end? Maybe...

Alec Do you know the actor who plays the hot hotel guy?

Very weak episode last night, subtle as a brick. Of course Catherine had to leave the gingerbread dog's on the table in the hall way so Laura could see the MIL's been . it's the kind of clue I would have written in a GCSE creative writing assignment.

Of course Catherine had to leave the gingerbread dog's on the table in the hall way so Laura could see the MIL's been

I actually guffawed at that. Handily located on a plate just in view of the front door - it's where everyone keeps their specifically identifiable gingerbread dogs, isn't it?

Yes, MIL was also somewhat reckless in merrily discussing her daughter's intimate details with a random stranger she'd allowed to install herself in the kitchen.

Trusting sort.

Now, this is odd: they made a specific point of Nice DI Vanessa tenderly touching the 'couple' photo of her and Soldier Halfpenny pinned to the fridge...the only thing pinned to the fridge (unlike the jumble stuck all over most people's fridges).

The same fridge Andrew would've opened to spike the juice.

Admittedly, the woman in her photo could've just been her best friend, or sister. But surely there'd be other 'coupled' pics around the house, too, and he would've had ample time to rifle through her personal stuff.

Maybe he got the shock of his life by twigging she was in a same-sex relationship and pregnant before he raped her, abandoned his original plan to claim she had 'consensually' slept with him, and proved even worse bastardish and sick behaviour by deciding to cause loss of baby instead. Don't even want to think how.

Payback for her subjecting him to police investigation and making it clear she's onto him and believing Laura/ payback for rejecting his offer of a date/ payback for her daring to prefer women and not find him irresistible in the first place.

Theory full of holes and unlikely, I realise! Because, assuming he wore a condom, he'd still need to ensure nothing remained to indicate a SA had taken place...and he'd either have to prevent her from seeking medical help at all, or guarantee he was in charge of any treatment.

Thalia I thought Andrew picked up the photo from a sideboard and stuck it to the fridge? I wondered if that and the washed out juice bottle will be what makes her twig the next day.

Also, even if he used a condom, surely he'll have left some piece of evidence at the scene, a hair from his head, some fibres from some of his clothes or something.

I thought it started to get ridiculous as well. Awful when he was creeping around the sleeping policewoman.

Aside from the ridiculousness of the plot, the dialogue in last night's episode was so clunky it was painful.

Really disappointed in this programme. It had the potential to challenges preconceptions about rape and consent, and it has descended into a ham-fisted sociopath/revenge pot-boiler. I guess I'll sit through the last couple of episodes in case it redeems itself, but based on last night's risible offering I doubt it will.

"It looks like a dating profile, but not sure how that works seeing as she has a (female) partner and is pregnant."

Given that comment what I said was understandable I think. And I'm bi myself.

Why does he wash up and leave the vessel he's put the drugs in, in the dishwasher. Common sense would surely say take it (the wine glass, the smothie bottle) away and dispose of it, is he trying to cleary tell the woman he has raped 'I have been here, I know, you know, but you can't prove it' is that part of his power trip ?

I think that is a bit odd. I know it is full of holes, but I am gripped by the story.

I missed how his dead wife found out he had slept with the business partner. Did he tell her in order to tip her over the edge, given her MH problems, knowing she kill herself ?

It was nice seeing a bit of Edinburgh, my old stomping ground (shallow given the storyline, but I do like a familiar setting )
It did rather buy into the stereotype that Scottish women of a certain age do nothing but bake - the Mother's kitchen was baking equipment central !

Graphista i took that to mean that she has no need of a dating profile because she's with someone not that she can't have one because she is a lesbian.

Chic,

Ah! Oh well, I'll blame my confusion on watching it on demand, far too late last night.

Though I'm sure if I came home to my kitchen, walked past my usually completely bare fridge door, noticed a photo there to the extent that I tenderly reached out and touched my lover's face, my brain would jolt into "Eh? How the Hell did that get there, then? Who put it there..."

Maybe she just thinks she stuck it there herself, and attributes not remembering whatsoever to pregnancy forgetfulness!
(Can understand why the rinsed-out juice bottle didn't register on her radar as yet, because she stood at the sink only half awake after the (presumed) rape/doping episode.
Roll on next Monday.

Jumping back on the thread as need to watch most recent episode!

Graphista i took that to mean that she has no need of a dating profile because she's with someone not that she can't have one because she is a lesbian

Yes, Alittle that is what I meant. I wonder what sort of planet you would have had to be living on to think that LGBT people are unable to use dating websites . Of course I meant it was unlikely because she had a partner (and because at the time I erroneously thought he had arranged a date with the person in the profile picture and thought it was unlikely to be the PO as she was in a same sex committed relationship and was pregnant). But I was oh so wrong about it all as the unrealistic twists proved....

I missed how his dead wife found out he had slept with the business partner. Did he tell her in order to tip her over the edge, given her MH problems, knowing she kill herself

I don't think they gave details, kurri, I think the business partner just said 'somehow she found out'. But yeah, it does seem odd that she would discover it unless he told her (although maybe it was through something like overhearing a conversation between them).

We don't know that he raped DI Vanessa, we only know that he spiked her smoothie. Could the drug have been an abortion drug of some sort? It'd be pretty hard for him to claim he'd had consensual sex with a lesbian wouldn't it? So maybe when he discovered that about her, he changed his plan and decided to cause a miscarriage instead?

Sorry I am very late to the party here as I have only just caught up with all the episodes. I also think it has take a turn towards the far fetched after starting out quite realistically. I suppose in real life police would conclude there wasn’t enough evidence to proceed and that would be that - unless Catherine had seen the internet post and come forward to say he’d done the same to her (which come to think of it would have been more realistic and more satisfactory than the Peter Davison red herring). For the record It didn’t occur to me for a moment that the photo of Vanessa was on a dating profile - I thought it was just to illustrate how easy it is to look people up on the internet these days and find traces of them not to mention photos. I thought he was trying to find out where she lived - actually I would have thought a police officer would be more careful about allowing her address to be known to all and sundry. Clearly he only wants to rape women who don’t want to have sex with him since didn’t Laura’s sister say everyone at the hospital fancied him so obviously he is not short of admirers? I’m also trying to work out the significance of the parallel between his wife’s partner being an early victim and Laura’s sister having an affair with her ex - which Laura still doesn’t know about, but presumably is not going to go down too well. As you were - nothing useful to add (I’m now going to read the thread from the start while I wait for next week).

Just caught up on the thread and am relieved it's not just me who thought this episode just went too far into ridiculousness.

I may have misheard (wasn't paying full attention, I didn't even notice the gingerbread dogs!) but I thought Catherine was just wondering IF Mary had found out about her and Andrew, it seemed like she was tormented by wondering if she had found out and that caused her to commit suicide.

So, forgive me for being stupid, we are absolutely ruling out the ex boyfriend?

So, forgive me for being stupid, we are absolutely ruling out the ex boyfriend?

I wouldn't rule anything out ~ it gets stupider by the week, so fuck knows what the next two episodes will throw at us.

Maybe the Welsh doctor has been hypnotised by his 'dead' wife who isn't really dead. She faked her suicide and has been hypnotically controlling him ever since and making him do bad things as some sort of long-term revenge for him leaving the toilet seat up all the time when they were married.

I agree, it went too far into ridiculousness last night. The dog biscuits were laughable. I found the policewoman rape scene and the blood in the toilet afterwards a bit unnecessarily distressing. As if the original rape story wasnt bad enough, lets just add in a stranger rape of a pregnant woman in her own home.

It's pants