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Liar Monday 9pm

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troodiedoo · 11/09/2017 15:25

I'm sure there are many planning to watch this tonight but I can't see a thread, apologies if there is one.

Looks promising with good acting stock. I'm already worried about the implications for real life reporting and conviction rates if the female is lying. Got a feeling it won't be that black and white though.

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Racmactac · 26/09/2017 11:21

Could this not be a massive twist and actually he took something like viagra thinking he was going to get lucky ?

There is another 3 episodes left I'm sure - it seems a bit early to find out that he did it unless it's now going to turn into a stalker story line.

Hillingdon · 26/09/2017 11:23

Eledon - what a stupid thing to say! How you do you I am not a man??

Also - you do know this is just a drama?

The80sweregreat · 26/09/2017 11:23

I am not blaming her at all for any of this to happen. the Head took advantage of her - she let her guard down with the surgeon because he was such a good liar and other people knew him etc etc. Lots of other women may have wanted a one night stand with him and he wouldnt have had to put something in their drink. they are adults and thats fair enough - she wanted to get to know him first and he couldnt cope with that, knew that she wouldnt be up for anything other than a kiss and then did what he did. The people representing him ( if it had gone to court) would have pointed out that she did kiss him back and had ' one drink too many'. its so sad, but it must happen a lot. he would have ( probably) got off. they cant prove he put the glasses in the dishwasher.

Elendon · 26/09/2017 11:26

My son is male and he likes his male friends, he trusts them and enjoys their company.

What a bizarre thing to say Hillingdon

Hillingdon · 26/09/2017 11:26

Its the fact she drunk so much, she invited him in. She kissed him. Of course its not her fault. He drugged her. However if you put the drug scenario to one side. If it had gone to court she probably would have lost.

The80sweregreat · 26/09/2017 11:28

Would they have tested for any drugs when she went to the police, or would it be out of her system by the morning?

Hillingdon · 26/09/2017 11:31

Elendon - sorry I don't know what you are getting at. I am a female. I am married to a man. I have two teenage boys. As a women our drinking culture in particular is out of control.

One son is at university and he says the culture is that they need to avoid the women literally out of it in the street in case they are accused of anything. Sad I know. They will let her female friends tend to her. Would I let myself (in my younger days!) get into that state. Of course I wouldn't. Are you saying that is acceptable behaviour and that others need to behave more responsibly? What if they are as drunk? That is when things happen that in the morning people regret.

IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 26/09/2017 11:31

I don't know how to take your post @hillingdon.

I hope to god that my DD and her Uni mates are looking out for each other whilst drunk something I still do at my grand age with friends or even random stranger I've seen passed out in pub loo.

The Dr is creepy as fuck even if they twist story again and he didn't do it, but last night episode showed him to be the liar.

IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 26/09/2017 11:35

I was referring to your earlier post @Hillingdon.

BeyondNoone · 26/09/2017 11:37

She invited in someone she knew to call a taxi. That’s not so crazy a decision that she only would have made it if legless?!
Had she not known him, you may have had a (tiny, tiny) point about alcohol making you let your guard down. But he was someone she knew outside of the date (both from her own work and her sisters) and had got on with during the date.

She didn’t invite in some random bloke off the street.

Elendon · 26/09/2017 11:38

That's just bullshit Hillingdon

Sorry, it is. If you are with friends and see a woman lying in a ditch drunk, not that this is the scenario, then you would call the ambulance and police for assistance - she may well have been attacked. It's common sense and empathy.

You sound a bit like those precious mum's who would hate to have their precious boys accused of rape, because they looked at a woman.

Of course this is just a drama, but you are the one who is bringing reality in to it. By your crass and insensitive judgement against women who drink.

BeyondNoone · 26/09/2017 11:38

Thinking women randomly accuse men of rape is not a very nice view for your son to have.

BeyondNoone · 26/09/2017 11:39

Btw I’ve had drunk, consensual one night stands with no problem.

I was only raped when I was in the presence of a rapist.

FeralBeryl · 26/09/2017 11:42

Horrified at some of the posts suggesting that just because someone is socially a 'catch' that they couldn't be a rapist Hmm
It's rarely anything to do with the act itself. It's about power, control, coercion.

I'm still thinking of a further twist though, yes he's showing himself to be a hideous character, and she's far more likeable in this episode, but are the writers going to flip that again next week?

If he knew he'd drugged that particular glass-surely he'd have held it nearest her for her to take?
I'm considering the viagra theory upthread too, has it maybe been a substance that has reacted horribly with her anti depressants when she had a swig ?
Either way he's a wrongun.

Rocketbuddies · 26/09/2017 11:51

Having said that she should not have got as drunk as she did on a first date. It was probably one reason why the CPS didn't decide to charge him. It muddied the water.

I hate these kind of comments. Men should understand consent, and a woman is in no way responsible for a rape however 'drunk she is'.

As for the comments on that your son would rather leave a woman in a ditch than help incase they are accused Hmm. I'd want to teach my son to help someone who might be in need, in this scenario it is unlikely a woman will 'accuse' someone simply by helping/calling an ambulance/alerting security.

Graphista · 26/09/2017 12:16

Utterly disgusted by your posts Hillingdon AND that you have 2 sons you've clearly raised to also victim blame and lack common decency or empathy.

Reported your first post and hope mnhq delete your other disgusting posts too.

The ONLY person responsible in ANY rape is a rapist.

I hope to god your sons have other better informed influences around them.

Belle1616 · 26/09/2017 12:22

agree with the above posters about victim blaming and it's wrong.... however it's not victim blaming to raise points about personal safety, there are ways to reduce harm, like for example I do not walk around my area after 11pm, as there are lots of muggings, I should of course be able to walk around at anytime and not be mugged but it's a fact it happens and to reduce that risk I use taxis, if I do get mugged at 1am it is not my fault but if I had been more careful I may have avoided it.

Obviously being raped is not like being mugged but, it is not victim blaming to say not to invite people you don't know into your home, don't drink too much etc etc... it's basic personal safety. No people shouldn't do these things, but they do so caution is best. It annoys me when people talk about safety automatically it's labelled victim blaming.

Hillingdon · 26/09/2017 12:30

belle - thank you. Just what I was trying to say but clearly Graphista has a lot of time on their hands and has reported me (presumably because I don't agree what they are saying!).

Hillingdon · 26/09/2017 12:33

Graphista - and please stop the personal insults. You don't know me or my sons.

Rocketbuddies · 26/09/2017 12:33

It is a bit different to personal safety though, she (the character) only had a few glasses of wine, was 'safe' in her home with a man she knew and was not drunk. It was entirley his fault and suggesting the fact she had too much to drink was the cause of this, or the problem with the courts is just stupid and particularly alarming when the poster has sons.

Hillingdon · 26/09/2017 12:36

I didn't suggest that the attack was the consequences of her drinking. I said drinking the equivilant of a bottle of wine and perhaps more would have made her decision making less sensible.

IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 26/09/2017 12:37

Ffs @Graphista!! Give over @hillingdon is entitle to opinion and I don't believe their posts warrant reporting

scrabbler3 · 26/09/2017 12:37

There are other people who could have accessed her flat - her ex, her sister. Both knew that she was worried about the earring. We don't know that the toy was wearing the missing one.

Luke and the girl had consensual sex and he was kind to her when the repercussions hit. Juxtaposed with his father, he's a good person. Her father is misogynistic, like Andrew and the creepy headmaster. Laura's ex betrayed her with her own sister. The other decent men are Rory the detective, and the husband who decided not to snoop.

It's important that the male lead is handsome with a good job, style, and a nice accent. It busts the myth that men like that don't "need" to rape.

Graphista · 26/09/2017 12:38

I don't 'have a lot of time on my hands' but as a survivor of csa and with friends I have supported through being rape victims I do get rightly pissed off when I see victim blaming.

It's also against mn rules. Mn actually have a campaign 'we believe you'.

KurriKurri · 26/09/2017 12:38

I hope this programme does open up debate about what consent actually is and what rape actually is - because some people don't seem to have a clue. I think it actually addresses the fact that we need to start looking at rapists and stop victim blaming because there are circumstances that some people will use to blame Laura fro what happened to her.

I think it is also intersting that Laura is in some ways an unsympathetic character, so people (including the audience) were doubting her - then we learn she has already been sexually assaulted by a horrible creepy man and we should start to think about how that has affected her as a person and the way she comes across.

I am hoping that the defamation of character thing (which is typically arrogant in these kinds of men) will backfire on him and be Laura's chance to get him with the help of the woman police officer. I presume a defence to a charge of defamation of character is to prove that he actually did what she claims ?

Although this is not necessarily the best drama in the world, anything that encourages debate about what consent actually entails and what rape is, is a good thing - because it is quite alarming to find that a lot of people don't understand, or think that if someone is drunk or invites you into her home it is Ok to rape her.