Liar Monday 9pm

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I'm sure there are many planning to watch this tonight but I can't see a thread, apologies if there is one.

Looks promising with good acting stock. I'm already worried about the implications for real life reporting and conviction rates if the female is lying. Got a feeling it won't be that black and white though.

Thank you two falls that makes perfect sense. I was far too knackered when watching it to think straight. Of course, now I'm in bed I can't get to sleep.

So how did the earring get onto the bunny ear?

Who put it there?

Lots of men who rape are good looking, it's not about not being able to attract women and get sex, the motivation is v different...

Don't forget he lied with regards to the pregnant young girl - in a professional capacity. Could be the unravelling of him.

I am so glad he was the liar. Smooth, charming, manipulative bastard. I was married to one!!! And here's hoping he gets his comeuppance!!

"He is a good looking bloke with a great job, so surely would have plenty of opportunities with women (without rape)." - shows how many internalise rape culture - I'm assuming you're a woman but I could be wrong.

Rape isn't about sex, it's about power & control.

But wait! Just thinking outside the box here (3 episodes left etc), we know he's diabetic and we know he had to wait an extended time for his cab.
Could the drops in the vial be some sort of 'get me through' until he could get home to his insulin? Like a glucose mixture or something if he was feeling a bit off? Did HE ingest them, not her?

I'm going to have to go to iplayer and watch that bit again......

Diabetics don't take liquid insulin orally.

No, not insulin. Something else, but for him.

STOP!!!!

On itv player from 43:44 onwards. It looks very much to me like he adds the drops to the left hand glass on the worktop, which he picks up with his LEFT hand. He offers, and she takes the glass from his RIGHT hand.

Anyone else?

eddiemairswife.
"Also, is there any point to the pregnancy story?"

• Plot device to force Laura into further contact with Andrew, via Luke.

Also ensures each of the three has reason to be grudgingly grateful to someone. Will come back to bite them next episode, mark my words. (e.g. Picking Luke up from his house gave Laura the handy opportunity to gain entry and search for her lost earring. Very convenient, that, though fruitless. )

• Luke now owes Laura. Which he must hate. She got his girlfriend prompt medical treatment. Also compromised her professional ethics by lying/ convincing Andrew to lie, thus Luke was spared wrath of Makeda's father and her being sent home to Ethiopia, like her sister.

(And he didn't appreciate it at the time, but she showed concern for him after the bullying incident in the school loos).

• The pregnancy/ abortion storyline appears to show Andrew in compassionate light, but his actions were mostly self-serving: Makeda's father would no doubt raise merry Hell and take to higher powers the fact his daughter (possibly underage, too?) has even been seeing, let alone having sex with, the son of somebody accused of rape. Causing Andrew (& Luke) yet more negative publicity & hassle.

[Also potentially flags up the issue of general public confusion surrounding Statutory Rape...maybe more explored next episode re the especially grey area (to some) between consenting teens either side of aged 16? If Makeda is older than the aged 12 "child" legal status but younger than Luke, for instance].

• Am sure there's significance that Nice DI Harmon is pregnant too, but brain's frazzled and can't think what.

Sidenote:
Luke was conveniently at home 'recovering' on the sofa, not at school, within the timescale of the earring being pinned to rabbit at Laura's home. Could he have done it? Or have I got confused?

Makeda is 16 that was stated. Female detective has his number and I believe insulin could cause a miscarriage. I think it will build to a 'climax' where the detective and Laura are being held hostage or something and I suspect Luke will have an epiphany re his dad being responsible for his mothers death and did rape Laura. Hoping we find Peter davisons character WAS guilty too.

insomnibrat,

Interesting thought you had about the glucose drops. Where's Dr Foster when you need her?

Graphista,
Thanks for clarifying re Makeda's age. I've stupidly been watching FAR too late to retain much information.

I think we already know that Peter Davison's character is guilty Graphista,as he admitted to Andrew, when they were having a drink in the pub, that he had groped Laura in his office when she went to see him.
P Davison said she became upset/ weepy and he gave her a hug.
He implied that she hugged him back in a manner that suggested she wanted more and so he groped her.

Dr Fosters busy washing up Thalia!

Yes, Peter Davison's lechy old creep made me shudder...eurgh.

He offers, and she takes the glass from his RIGHT hand

He didn't drink from the glass in his left hand. Then he switched the glasses later, as she noticed he is drinking out of the glass with her lipstick on it.

The ear-ring pinned onto the bunny (which had been moved) is telling her that he knows she has been in his house/bedroom nosing around, that he knows that she knows he has vials of clear liquid, so she knows that he was a liar. However, the case has been dropped, so she can do nothing. He is already seeing a lawyer about defamation of character and he is saying to her 'you can't do anything about it'. He is a very clever and manipulative psychopath. The DI was right to label him 'very dangerous'.

It is his word against hers, of course. There is no 'evidence', but he has lots of evidence of her defaming his character, so he intends to squash her. He plays a long, slow game.

Also - how did he get into her house to be able to move that bunny? Did he at some point get her keys and arrange a copy? That would totally freak me out, knowing he had access to her safe haven.

She has to be able to prove her case in the end - so how is she going to do that? What 'evidence' is she going to find?

The sister's affair will come out, of course and her marriage and her relationship with her sister will be ruined, and possibly her ability to work at the hospital with Andrew. Can't wait for next week!

Insomnibrat yes, Laura took the unspiked drink from him, and we saw him clearly think 'Fuck!' as he pretended to sip from the spiked glass. Laura remembered that he was drinking from her glass when she came back from the bedroom (due to the lipstick on the glass), so he drank the clean wine and she had the drug.

I don't remember being told that Andrew is diabetic?

And yy to creepy Peter Davison. Good acting though. I kept thinking "Tristan Farnon would be disgusted; not to mention what Siegfried and Jim would say!" .

X-post re glass.

Am really surprised how many people thought he was innocent here. This is how they get away with it. Laura woke up fully clothed apart from her knickers, she clearly couldn't really remember what had happened but was traumatised. It smacked if being drugged. He had obviously orchestrated being in her flat by pretending his battery was flat and who puts two wine glasses in a dishwasher and runs it after a night of passion.

He was plausible, you wanted to believe him. He seemed like a nice guy, even after she accused him, he hid his true colours well. But the evidence was overwhelmingly in her favour.

I didn't understand the bit when Dr Nasty was so disgusted when he realised the Peter Davidson character had been guilty of sexual assault, if (I think he is but am prepared for a mahoosive plot twist) he is a serial rapist/abuser why was he so revolted at the thought of another man doing similar, especially to someone he has also assaulted ? was he revolted at the assault or at the assault being on someone he thought of as 'his' , or because he somehow justifies his own assaults but is righteously angry in a PC sort of a way at another man abusing women?

Ps, an aside but it always bugs me when teachers are shown arriving at school at the same time as the children. Right , like that happens.........TV teachers walk in with the kids, go to the staff room, grab a cup of coffee, have a meeting, check messages, speak to colleagues then mooch along to their classroom where (presumably) the children have been mysteriously registered by an unseen force and have been sitting nicely for a good hour , the days lessons are loaded onto the system, all resources are prepped, and everything is ready to go for another day in Teachingiseasy Land.

Teachingiseasy land

Regarding his disgusted reaction to creepy head teacher, it's shows clearly that he thinks he no longer has traction with him. Not sure how that is going to work out when it comes to the defamation case. I'm surprised he's done that, he obviously doesn't really care about the consequences of this on his son. He wants to hurt her for being so insolent as to accuse him of rape.

I think that his wife was probably driven to suicide and that he was a controlling abusive man towards her (and possibly unfaithful as well).