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Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 7 discussion thread *SPOILERS*

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OlennasWimple · 27/08/2017 12:04

CAUTION - HERE BE DRAGONS (PROBABLY) AND SPOILERS!

THIS THREAD IS FOR DISCUSSION OF SEASON 7, EPISODE 7 "THE DRAGON AND THE WOLF"

Come and discuss the very last episode in the penultimate series, airing August 27th at 2am UK time! Don't read the thread if you want to avoid finding out what happens in Season 7 but also Seasons 1-6.

Please avoid discussing leaks and production details for Seasons 7 and 8 but speculate away on what we have learnt from the new episodes and what it might mean for the rest of the Season and the ultimate winner(s) of the Game of Thrones.

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AryaUnderfoot · 29/08/2017 13:41

X post with sweetbitter.

Mustang27 · 29/08/2017 13:44

How could you not love Dickon, he was not completely his fathers son. It's definitely going to bite Dany on the arse for sure.

KentMum2008 · 29/08/2017 13:51

Jon also didn't particularly want to be KITN, but it happened.

sweetbitter · 29/08/2017 13:52

BTW does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with the whole "bend the knee" expression? On the one hand I got sick of hearing it this season, on the other it didn't stop me imperiously ordering DP and the cat to bend the knee to me the other day. They both just looked at me strangely.

UrsulaPandress · 29/08/2017 14:23

Thanks all for your respnse to my question re new books. So if you have watched the new seasons will you be bothering with the 'new' books?

And shall I bother with any of the tv series having only read the books?

AryaUnderfoot · 29/08/2017 14:32

Ursula I absolutely will read the books. Only about 30% of the story is covered in the show and too many characters have been combined and storylines dropped.

I wouldn't suggest a book-only reader starts watching the series at this point unless you are going to make a very deliberate choice to stop watching at the end of season 4. You can pick up the main plot points from YouTube clips.

If, like me, you are heavily invested in certain characters' arcs you may be bitterly disappointed by the show. I am.

UrsulaPandress · 29/08/2017 14:36

Thanks Arya - That's what I have always felt - that the series strays so far away from the books as to be almost unrecognisable. ('your' rape scene for instance!)

sweetbitter · 29/08/2017 14:36

Ursula - I think as a viewer only (or haven't read any of the books) I have noticed a marked drop off of quality since the series ran out of book. Particularly in terms of the internal logic of the story, and also generally less gritty/unsparing in tone. So as a book reader you might notice this even more, and what's more it could spoil the rest of the books for you when they finally come out. However...that's assuming GRRM ever does actually finish writing them!

I decided to wait until the TV series was finished before I start on the GoT books. I want to keep them separate and unmuffled in my head.

UrsulaPandress · 29/08/2017 14:50

I enjoyed the first few books - I devoured them - but it got hard going for the last few.

My Dad died after about book 4 I think. I felt that might have been a strange blessing in some way Confused Grin

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 29/08/2017 14:54

It's Sansa who is raped Ursula, in the show they take "arya"/Jeyne poole's marriage to Ramsay and replace it with actual Sansa.

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 29/08/2017 14:56

Flowers ursula

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/08/2017 15:04

I'm not disappointed with the TV series in the slightest. I have read all the books and probably will re-read next year in the (I hope not vain) hope that vol. 6 is really nearly done now. I will also watch all seven series again before season 8 finally arrives. I see them as quite different from each other, and that doesn't bother me at all. It's rare to find a good book that becomes a good film or TV series, which is what I think has happened here. Far commoner for a mediocre book to be transformed when filmed (e.g. The Godfather) or vice versa.

BeyondLimitsAndWhatever · 29/08/2017 15:11

It's like TWD. They're pretty much totally separate interpretations of a source, and both watch/readable in their own right

Though the dialogue for most of this season was a bit meh, it has been countered by fantastic visuals for ep 4 (the last ten minutes of that one being possibly the best ever), 6 and 7.

TizzyDongue · 29/08/2017 15:32

Sam situation: Dany burned his father and brother to death (when they refused to bend the knee after losing that battle)

Ah yes, good point. I probably should have thought of that. Might not warm Sam to Dany ...

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OlennasWimple · 29/08/2017 15:53

Cersei would kill Jaime rather than marry him off to someone else, surely?

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squishysquirmy · 29/08/2017 15:58

I worry that by doing the dirty with Dany, Jon has guaranteed his death in the next series plot wise. He has passed on his Targ/Stark seed so now he can be killed (while very nobly saving the world).

PsammeadPaintedTheLion · 29/08/2017 16:00

A couple of series ago, I would have agreed, but now that her children are dead, Jaime has 'betrayed' her by talking to Tyrion, and she's sensed that he's less and less in tune with her, I think she has cut him out, mentally. She's already plotting behind his back - I think she just sees him as a means to an end now.

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OlennasWimple · 29/08/2017 16:10

Poor Sam. He probably also doesn't realise that his second cousin Shireen was burnt to death either Sad

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OlennasWimple · 29/08/2017 16:11

Cersei really would be the psycho ex from hell, though. Couldn't blame Dany if she wasn't interested in Jaime with all that baggage as well!

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PsammeadPaintedTheLion · 29/08/2017 16:15

Shireen's death still makes me angry! It's my worst death so far.

Stannis is my most satisfying death.

Melisandre's is my most keenly anticipated.

BossyBitch · 29/08/2017 16:16

Jon has guaranteed his death in the next series plot wise

I actually disagree. Jon is the hero of the season, it's Dany who' expendable.

The reason why I think this: Jon himself is ice (Stark) and fire (Targ) in a ratio of 1:1 - any baby Jonaerys is at best a Targ with minor Starkishness (3:1). So Jon's the big guy in this thing. He must be.

There's also the fact that Jon is consistently portrayed as being pushed into power whereas Dany wants it (and actually feels entitled to it). Judging by precedent, the latter is not a good trait for those hoping for survival in GoT. Of course there was Ned, who definitely was more of a Jon type character, so the predictive power of this particular model is not perfect.

Having said that, it's not my personal preferred outcome for either of them to win - but either option is still preferrable to the saintly baby. That'd be way too telenovela for me.

FWIW, our massive office debate of the day revolved around that bloody incest scene: my boss and I both argued that it was meant to be taken at face value and hence horrible. Our senior analyst thinks it's done that way on purpose, meant to be horrible and hence genius. The admin lady thought it was lovely and really romantic. Legal counsel has not seen it yet but says we can't fire the admin lady over this. Shame! Grin

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 29/08/2017 16:59

My head was turned by his beautiful buttocks.
I am that shallow that I couldn't read anything more into the scene.

He has the most perfect bum curvature 😍

JAPAB · 29/08/2017 17:25

Doesn't Sam have access to the same teleporters as the rest of them? He left for home a couple of episodes ago and only got to Winterfell last night. If it had been anyone else they would have arrived there in the next scene.

I think the funniest moment was the Hound telling that curious guard to fuck off.

JAPAB · 29/08/2017 17:40

Melisandre's is my most keenly anticipated

Didn't she channel Ygritte once? She said a line to Jon just way Ygritte would have (I think it was the 'you know nothing' one) which was a bit weird. Wonder if that has any meaning or was just a red herring. Or I imagined it.

KentMum2008 · 29/08/2017 18:24

I'm gonna throw something in here and say that what if Jon isn't the song of ice and fire? What if it actually is this baby which has possibly already been conceived? I admit, it is too sickly sweet for my liking, but thinking back to all the questions about how Jon survived the icy water and the ride back to Eastwatch, what if he himself is ice? In the same way that Dany can survive flames and therefore symbolises fire. Both have a bit of the supernatural about them, particularly Jon coz of being dead and all that. I appreciate it's a possible unpopular opinion. But that's my take on it Grin

I also, controversially, think that it's far too late to really start bringing in the PWWP thing, and potentially we won't see a AA/NN/Lightbringer storyline. Again, just my opinion, happy to hear others thoughts.

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