Eden - Paradise Lost 10pm C4 - Every Night this week

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Anyone else watching this catch-up on a Castaway/10,000 years BC/The Island type show set in remote Scotland.

Partially broadcast a year or two ago, C4 stopped showing it before the group of 23 started to fall apart.

Shocking stuff, with overt sexism, bullying, aggression and violence.

Enlightening just how quickly how the 'emotionally intelligent' generation disintegrates and revert to basic role models.

Most of the women have walked out already due to bullying and sexism by various, Tobys, Ollys, Robs and Sams led by a bitter plumber.

Stark reminder how far humans haven't travelled and how quickly we can go back.

On again tonight.

Interesting insight from Jane one of the embedded camera crew. She felt that if she did give her view/intervene she would lose the ability to record uncensored.
The integrity of the project rested on the community being left to its own devices. Series producer Liz Foley insists they would have stepped in “if someone had been in mortal danger or was desperately traumatised”, yet should the moral imperative to intervene have taken precedence over the professional one to simply document events? It was a dilemma 43-year-old Jane, one of four embedded camera crew, felt keenly.

“Part of my job was to maintain relationships so I could get the story,” she explains. “If I had said how I felt as a community member, I would have shut down barriers to people. As a woman, I regret not feeling able to stand up for what I believed in 100%. As a professional cameraperson, I’m quite proud. But I struggle with that on a daily basis.”

www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/aug/04/eden-paradise-lost-reality-show-nobody-watched

I think if she wasn't able to express her view as one of the community then she shouldn't have counted in the votes. I also think that as women were under represented from the start they shouldn't have made one of the few women be a camera crew if it meant she couldn't express an opinion. I think reality programmes think the public are far more interested in bickering and fights than we are.

Wasn't Olly one of the camera crew? he was deliberately winding Anton up so saying she couldn't behave in a positive way when Olly had behaved in such a nasty negative way is nonsense.

Good point about the votes 2rebecca and the double standard displayed.

Not sure what to expect tonight, does it come to a premature close or do they make it to the end of 12'months with just 3 men left standing on a pile of rotting meat seeing who can wee the highest?

LOL

I won't be watching tonight. I didn't have bad dreams about what I saw yesterday (the wanton slaughtering of animals, the whole place looking and smelling like a slaughterhouse because, hey!, we're leaving soon, so why not?) but certainly those scenes have stayed with me all day. And I've no intention of watching more of the same,. No wonder that farm bred bloke, who truly respected his animals, walked out last night...
But, yes, I'll be checking in here to read what you say after the broadcast.

I've felt increasing discomfort for the past few episodes especially last night, but I feel like I need to watch the last one now.

I can't believe how hateful these people are. They walk among us. With the past week's news, I feel very attacked as a woman: jogger cunt, Google dickhead, misogynistic comments re the kidnapped young mother, the women's swimming controversy and now this.

Argh.

I'm so glad for this thread and that I'm not the only one feeling really uncomfortable watching it.

The plumber guy with his 'I'm just a cheeky chappie' routine is a complete arse.

Poor Rob the vet, he understood the animals were needed for food and as someone said he never said no to them being reasonably killed, I can understand how upset he was with the knob head meat diet. Bet he didn't want to leave the animals but he couldn't stay there.

Not sure what I'm expecting from tonight's show. I've a feeling it's not going to be pleasant viewing.

I didn't watch the original show, did anyone! I hope they repeat it after this.

All episodes right from the beginning are available to watch on the channel 4 catch-up website Ontheboardwalk .

I'm torn between wanting to see how it ends, and not wanting to watch any more of people being cruel to each other. Hopefully last nights was the worst and they end on more of a positive note... but I'm not holding my breath for that!

Poor poor lovely Rob the vet - I can empathise totally with what he was feeling 😔 I know a wee bit about the area it was filmed in and the production itself, the production team lived nearby for the whole year so they could see live what was going on and did nothing about it..... also lots of local rumours of extra food and drink being delivered to them so they wouldn't all leave and mess up the programme 😒 That said there is no way on earth Id spend a winter in that part of the world in a bloody straw bale and tarp enclosure - it's a bitterly cold wild place when you have a proper house to sleep in! And if it's not freezing the midgies would finish you off

I'm glad they're showing the amount of deliveries, etc they've been getting. Although I think it would have been hard to deny it.
Apparently they would go to the local pubs etc, regularly too.

It just all seems very shit in every single way.

Bat shit crazy about Katey - what the actual fuck! These are 'people' within our society acting and talking like this

WTF is all this booze, paraffin lamps, and someone got a phone?
What was the point in this show?

It does all feel very anticlimactic, they're working hard to edit a bit of a story out of the closing hours but unless Katie has opened a portal to hell in the rabbit hole it's falling a bit flat.

Oh dear it looks like that almost happened

Glenn seems to be a classic narcassist.

Holy fuck it's pretty depressing to realise how hellish the world got in that year.

Shit a brick, what a forced ending.

Not sure if Glen is a narcissist or a psychopath. He has no capacity for regret or ability to empathise or put other people first though. I do think the production team should have excluded people with personality disorders.

"I had to dig very deep to get through some of the chocolate contraband we had smuggled in days"

Josie might be the only one to come out with any credibility

Does make you wonder about what psychological testing went on in advance. I am sure that when they selected the people for Castaway 2000 on Taransay there was very rigourous screening (or was I dreaming?)

Right, I've read your replies. I did right, then, not watching it, I think. All a bit too Lord of the Flies for me. Terrifying, really,

They obviously picked people with more of an eye to what would make 'good tv' (failed) than who would build a cohesive community. Totally agree that Glenn was a complete narcissist. Titch was a gas-lighting little fucker and handsome Jack a compete and utter coward. Felt desperately sorry for the 'decent' people who were marginalised, mocked and excluded in order that the little gang of tosspots could feel like big men.

How did katie know Rob had dropped stuff in for her if she didn't have a phone? She lost a lot of credibility with that outburst.
Taransay did have screening, although I thought putting a family of 7th day adventists was a nasty thing to do, and just trying to divide people for ratings. It's not as though it's a common religious belief in the UK, a bit like putting exclusive brethren there and then trying to make them all get along. You want to start with people who might choose a community together.
I suppose they're stuck with the applicants they get who will include a lot of oddballs who can easily take a year out as they have no proper job or attachments, the unemployed and unemployable, and people who want a deserted island to be a hermit not live in a claustrophobic commune.