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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2

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PacificDogwod · 20/06/2017 16:22

I go to work and this is what happens: the previous thread fills up when I have pertinent things to say! ShockWink

Hope nobody minds, I've taken the opportunity to start a new one before the Offspring demand food and the likes...

One of the masterful strikes of strategic genius of the new regime is the division and envy between everybody and everybody: men vs women, women in different roles vs other women, high ranking vs low ranking.
No solidarity is allowed - even the partnered Handmaids were half companion and have guard. Never knowing who might be an Eye and who to trust must be soul destroying.

I think Serena is quite a tragic figure - in the book and in the TV series. She must feel so betrayed by the ideals she fought for and that she is now kind of forced to uphold because otherwise what would her life be?? Admitting that she supporting a world view that while giving her some kind of social status by dint of her husband's role, considers her without value as she cannot have children would render everything she stands for invalid, and herself by extension.

The author who wrote a book about women being able to electrocute men by touch thereby causing a power change over (sorry, I cannot remember either name Blush) was talking on Radio Scotland today. She said the idea for her book came from when she wondered why so many mechanisms in society seem to go back to the fact that 'more men can throw a woman across a room than the other way around'. It's a depressing thought that physical strength underpins so much.

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InigoTaran · 23/07/2017 23:19

The note was from Moira. Did it say, I'm back, bitch?

We don't know what's in the package, guess we will find out next week...

figtreetwig · 23/07/2017 23:19

It said "praise be bitch, here's your damn package"

tomatoplantproject · 23/07/2017 23:21

It said "praise be bitch here's your package xoxo Moira"

Not that I rewound.

I am in shock again and need another week to recover. Elisabeth Moss is just awesome.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 23/07/2017 23:22

Also cried buckets. And it was almost more tense than last week!!

tomatoplantproject · 23/07/2017 23:22

Damn package is correct!

We don't yet know what is in it.

noblegiraffe · 23/07/2017 23:23

Interesting that the Martha had a son. Did you get the impression that when he was fighting in the war, it was against the regime, not for it?

So she's not infertile, yet not a handmaid or econowife. Has she gone through the menopause?

figtreetwig · 23/07/2017 23:26

When the Martha hinted that FRed was out, would serena not have checked on offred?

CruCru · 23/07/2017 23:27

This was an interesting episode. My husband said that it would have been kinder to send Janine back to the Red Centre for a few months to recover before being posted again - however, I don't think that was the point. The Handmaids are the equivalent of bitches in a puppy farm.

It was a shame that Janine wasn't killed. I must admit my first thought when I saw her lying there was that she is in a really similar position to during the Ceremony. Presumably, they can still breed from her, even if she is brain damaged.

Did anyone else notice the Commander's expression after they'd agreed to go back to Jezebels? I think he knows that June is spying.

Also, we don't know for sure that Alma is in MayDay. By getting June to take a package in, she is also potentially incriminating her. If her room gets searched, there isn't anywhere to hide it. Plus, how would she have brought a package back from Jezebels without the Commander noticing?

QueenieGoldstein · 23/07/2017 23:27

I'm guessing menopause for the Martha if her son is 19, either that or infertile like so many others. It was very telling in the Ofglen trial the difference in the numbers between the Handmaids and Marthas.

tomatoplantproject · 23/07/2017 23:28

He was 19 when he died, and it must have been before she became their Martha, so perhaps he was born 21 or 22 years previously, which would put her I guess very late 30s/early 40s at best and probably too old to be a handmaid.

Yes I got that impression too. I wondered also whether the mother of someone who died a hero (which he would have been if he died fighting for the regime) would have been subject to such a lowly position as a Martha.

CruCru · 23/07/2017 23:30

I think that it would have been considered a faux pas to bother the Handmaid in her bedroom. A bit like having live in staff, once they're off duty, you have to leave them alone.

figtreetwig · 23/07/2017 23:30

Well handmaids are rare, there are lots of young Marthas but they're presumably infertile.

figtreetwig · 23/07/2017 23:32

think that it would have been considered a faux pas to bother the Handmaid in her bedroom. A bit like having live in staff, once they're off duty, you have to leave them alone.

Hmmm even if you suspect your husband might be bonking them? I dunno this episode was the most unrealistic for me in terms of how people behaved and things that happened.

CruCru · 23/07/2017 23:37

I think that, even if you thought your husband might be sleeping with them, it still would not be okay to disturb the Handmaid late at night. It's likely that the Commander goes out at night quite often.

Serena did stay up to catch him when he got home. I expect Offred went in through a different entrance.

InigoTaran · 23/07/2017 23:40

I liked this tweet:

Helpline offered at the end of #TheHandmaidsTale for those 'affected by these issues'. Misogyny? Sexism? Dystopian Hell? Tempted to ring.

Ragusa · 23/07/2017 23:53

Inigo that strapline always makes me a bit hmmmm too. I guess some viewers may have grown up in a totalitarian theocracy.

InigoTaran · 23/07/2017 23:53

Here's the note!

The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2
EBearhug · 23/07/2017 23:56

even if you suspect your husband might be bonking them?

Yes. There's nothing in this regime which is consequence-free. She suspects Fred is bonking their Handmaid. If she proves it and discovers them - who is the Eye in the house? If she doesn't report them, the Eye might know this and report her. If she does, it may well affect her. Commanders and reflectedly, their wives, are the ones with status, but only while they appear to be behaving correctly. You can be arrested for your Handmaid going off the rails and trying to kill herself (probably for not keeping enough control and risking a precious baby and the facade of respectability more than anything else.) Serena wouldn't have said to Warren's wife that she was sure it wouldn't reflect back on her, but she wouldn't have said if they didn't both know it was a risk, and neither seemed convinced by her saying it.

So finding someone in your household breaking the rules - it's better not to know at all, because the more you know about, the more you're at risk, whichever action you choose to take.

CruCru · 24/07/2017 00:08

Plus if the Commander is sleeping with the Handmaid - well, he is supposed to get her pregnant. So the consequences will be that the Wife gets the child she wants.

EvilTwins · 24/07/2017 00:33

Was Warren taken off because of Janine's comment about sucking his cock and running away together? His wife either genuinely didn't know or was doing a bloody good job of pretending.

I spent a lot of tonight's episode gasping. Every time the camera focuses on Offred's face I wonder what the hell will be there when it pans out again.

I always watch Poldark on BBC1 before it. I know they're not in the same league but some of the similarities are striking - in terms of how the women are treated as possessions and have no rights. It doesn't seem as shocking in a costume drama set in 1795 of course. One character's vile husband threatened to hit her in this evening's episode if she wouldn't have sex with him (she hates him, didn't want to marry him but had no choice) and all of the women are powerless to change their lot.

I am going to be gutted when THT finishes. I am re-reading Alias Grace at the mo and will be reading THT again once the series finishes.

InigoTaran · 24/07/2017 00:42

Evil I watched Poldark tonight too and thought the same!

EBearhug · 24/07/2017 01:02

Plus if the Commander is sleeping with the Handmaid - well, he is supposed to get her pregnant. So the consequences will be that the Wife gets the child she wants.

I think Serena knows that isn't going to happen with Fred, though, which is why she set Offred up with Nick. Plus I don't think she trusts Fred not to go for more than the Ceremony, and she's not keen even on that.

Was Warren taken off because of Janine's comment about sucking his cock and running away together?

Yes, but I think it's more about losing control and the facade of the regime's respectability than they really care. They're not bothered if Commander's are shagging every woman in their household and at Jezebels, as long as they're never found out. Making the regime look hypocritical would mean there's a (stronger) risk the people will rebel, because it will be obvious it's all built on lies.

figtreetwig · 24/07/2017 06:50

Good review in The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jul/23/the-handmaids-tale-recap-episode-eight-this-is-not-a-drill

Weird language used there, offred "putting out" for fred? "All-out rape"? Hmm

NameChange30 · 24/07/2017 07:15

fig
Yes, and I noticed "screwing". No, it's raping.