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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2

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PacificDogwod · 20/06/2017 16:22

I go to work and this is what happens: the previous thread fills up when I have pertinent things to say! ShockWink

Hope nobody minds, I've taken the opportunity to start a new one before the Offspring demand food and the likes...

One of the masterful strikes of strategic genius of the new regime is the division and envy between everybody and everybody: men vs women, women in different roles vs other women, high ranking vs low ranking.
No solidarity is allowed - even the partnered Handmaids were half companion and have guard. Never knowing who might be an Eye and who to trust must be soul destroying.

I think Serena is quite a tragic figure - in the book and in the TV series. She must feel so betrayed by the ideals she fought for and that she is now kind of forced to uphold because otherwise what would her life be?? Admitting that she supporting a world view that while giving her some kind of social status by dint of her husband's role, considers her without value as she cannot have children would render everything she stands for invalid, and herself by extension.

The author who wrote a book about women being able to electrocute men by touch thereby causing a power change over (sorry, I cannot remember either name Blush) was talking on Radio Scotland today. She said the idea for her book came from when she wondered why so many mechanisms in society seem to go back to the fact that 'more men can throw a woman across a room than the other way around'. It's a depressing thought that physical strength underpins so much.

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chickensaresafehere · 17/07/2017 11:50

Anyone know why episode 8 isn't on All 4 yet?

ShoesHaveSouls · 17/07/2017 11:54

I was coming on to ask the same - no sign of it on 4OD, and I didn't watch it live as DD was still up being a PITA dammit Grin

chickensaresafehere · 17/07/2017 11:56

I always watch it on a Monday morning & the last 7 episodes have been accessible,but this one isn't Angry

clairethewitch70 · 17/07/2017 12:00

I am enjoying this series, but it is filmed so dark I am struggling to see it.

WindyScales · 17/07/2017 12:10

I watched it an hour or so ago on all4. It must be a glitch. I hope it comes back soon for you!

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 17/07/2017 12:41

God that was hard viewing.

CeeBeeBee · 17/07/2017 13:02

I knew that Moira was not better off when she escaped but that was much worse than I imagined from the book. It reminds me of that horrible sex party scene in "Requiem for a dream".

InigoTaran · 17/07/2017 14:51

I just watched it again as I think I missed a lot of the nuances, it was even more shocking the second time around. The scene in the car where the leaders come up with how to make raping the Handmaids seem respectable and talk about calling it a Ceremony, from a 'branding' perspective. So fucking cynical! Angry

SophieCatScribbles · 17/07/2017 15:07

I've just caught the episode up now, and then come here to read all your thoughts...

It was a horrible episode. Shocking and disturbing. Terrible to hear Moira say that being forced to be a whore was better than the colonies. 'A few years before your pussy wears out, all the drugs you want'. As others have said, terrible RL parallels.

June and the Commander's relationship (for want of a better word) has changed - she knows the Commander is just looking after his interests. He knows he's being watched himself, and she knows that he was disturbed by what the previous handmaid did. I think what was interesting this time is that the Commander I think does have some humanity, but it's utterly warped by the regime and the religion it's cloaked in. The regime used those with very idealistic views to push through what they wanted under the guise of religious 'cleansing'. From their pre-regime story, Fred and Serena were like that and got caught up in the whole righteous 'what's best for the world' crap...and now they're buried deep in the shit too,

Serena is scared I think. She hates the reality of the regime that she helped to build, she's utterly pointless in her own life and knows that her own future is dependent on the regime's version of success - ie getting a handmaid to conceive them a child. If that doesn't happen with June, where do they stand? Has the Commander told her he's being watched and is afraid? I think Serena gave June the box because she, like the Commander, can't afford June's stay to be a failure too. She needs June to get pregnant, and maybe she's trying to make June happier in some twisted belief that that'll help her conceive? Goodness knows.

I think the Commander took June to the 'party' (yuck) because he was once a young man in love who took his GF out on the town, and now those things are banned, even with his wife. He dressed June up and took her I think in a twisted attempt at romance, at how things used to work before it got all screwed up - he can't just take her to a bar, so he does the club thing. Maybe that's the only option? Interesting that the C was quite protective of June in the club when that other guy approached her. He doesn't want to share her - as we saw with others :( poor women - he just wanted her alone.

Nice to see Nick really does care for June. All their looks in the car when he knew what was going to happen and she wasn't sure... And then her pouring her heart out. It hurt him to see her with the C, and to know what his end game was, so he tried to end it to protect himself. June's outburst really got to him. Maybe he's a good guy and his position as an eye will save June in the end. That's what I hope.

Interesting to hear June saying that she saw Nick still - as much as she could - even though she knew Luke was alive, and she was watching him when he was asleep as she wished she had with Luke, who was 'fading'. Are her feelings for Nick stronger than for Luke now?

I think few of the main characters are wholly bad, they're just all being warped by this sick society that values nothing except power. Some are worse than others, but in the end they're all human, all fallible, and all struggling in their own roles in Gilead.

It is mighty grim. Should be on the syllabus in sixth forms and colleges everywhere, and all these issues discussed between young men and women. Only way to prevent these things happening is by people opening their eyes to the reality of such extremism and talking it through...

Kickhiminthenuts · 17/07/2017 16:29

Im a little bit in love with Nick i think, i really hope he's not a bad one in all this and is her knight. Its like glimpses of almost normal life for them.

HelloMist · 17/07/2017 16:31

Uthredswife that was my initial reaction too. Think both are true.

The Commander wasn't concerned that she might be pregnant (offering her alcohol). Does he know he can't get her pregnant? Or was it just that normal concerns didn't matter that night.

CeeBeeBee, thanks for filling us in (I haven't read the book yet). He said he had to guess the size but it looked just right on TV!

"You're not you tonight" - how did people interpret that?

orlantina · 17/07/2017 16:32

Or was it just that normal concerns didn't matter that night

It probably didn't even cross his mind.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 17/07/2017 16:52

I thought he was proprietorial in the club, not protective. Urgh. He did not come out of this episode well.

deadringer · 17/07/2017 17:26

When offred was shocked at the club, she said its forbidden or something like that, and he said, we are only human after all or words to that effect. He meant the men of course, I don't think they see women as human beings at all. When she asked about all the people there, he assumed she meant the men, until she said, no i was asking about the women. I too wonder what people really 'get' out of the regime as a pp said.
It is MRA heaven though.

orlantina · 17/07/2017 18:04

Last week , OfRed said to the Mexican Ambassador "We're human beings"

And then the commander said "we're only human"

Different ideas of being human

wineusuallyhelps · 17/07/2017 18:11

What struck me most about last night's episode, was that when they entered the club and saw all the half-naked women, I felt instantly like that was a more familiar environment for me...bear with me on this! I don't mean I frequent swinging clubs or anything!

What I mean is, to see women with some bare skin on show (legs, cleavage, etc) felt more like my own life than seeing Offred and the other handmaids/Marthas/wives with their full robes and their stark environments.

That's social conditioning I suppose and it made me think about how we live in the Western world.

Does anyone know what I mean or do I sound completely barking? Grin

isittheholidaysyet · 17/07/2017 18:11

Good it's on channel4 player. I usually watch on a Monday morning. I got worried when it wasn't there this morning!

TheHandmaidsTail · 17/07/2017 19:00

What struck me was the group sex scene that flashed up, one of them was dressed as a handmaid, so already they were being fetished (if that's a word)

And yes, that this is what happens now with women being marginalised, and trafficked, and prositituted, and yet this just a more extreme version. Well extreme for me, not for everyone sadly

ElenaGreco123 · 17/07/2017 19:29

Much as I love Nick, I am pretty sure he will turn on June when she, inevitably, rebels. He seems very good at survival and suppressing his feelings.

Thank you for pointing out that there is a mirror in the box. I hope June uses it as a weapon, not for self-harm.

June appears to have read the thread from last week. Grin She knows she is weak and I liked how she would have preferred to be seen in a better light.

It was a very bleak episode. It made my heart break.

CeeBeeBee · 17/07/2017 19:31

You're welcome Hellomist and Illegitimate.

Offred was already being raped on a regular basis as a handmaid and nobody bats an eyelid, but here it was telling when she cried in the hotel room.

Re the group sex part, I think it was meant to be some sort of parody of the "ceremony" because the other woman was wearing blue/green.

Even I felt violated having seen this episode.

InigoTaran · 17/07/2017 19:37

Also, if Moira is gay, then surely it's even more traumatizing for her having to be a Jezebel and have sex with men?

And, I was also wondering, what happens if a Jezebel gets pregnant...?

AdalindSchade · 17/07/2017 19:42

I don't think being raped is any more palatable for heterosexual women than it is for lesbians tbh
If a Jezebel gets pregnant I guess they would take the baby

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 17/07/2017 19:46

Offred was already being raped on a regular basis as a handmaid and nobody bats an eyelid, but here it was telling when she cried in the hotel room

If you recall the early scenes of her affair with Luke, perhaps the hotel setting evoked earlier, happier memoroies - I can imagine the contrast would be painful.

TheHandmaidsTail · 17/07/2017 20:06

Just thinking about the pregnancy tests... I had assumed that they had sterilized Moira as how could they allow pregnancy with the drugs and the alcohol? Obviously not.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 17/07/2017 20:08

In the book (sorry!) all the women there are infertile, aren't they?

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