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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2

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PacificDogwod · 20/06/2017 16:22

I go to work and this is what happens: the previous thread fills up when I have pertinent things to say! ShockWink

Hope nobody minds, I've taken the opportunity to start a new one before the Offspring demand food and the likes...

One of the masterful strikes of strategic genius of the new regime is the division and envy between everybody and everybody: men vs women, women in different roles vs other women, high ranking vs low ranking.
No solidarity is allowed - even the partnered Handmaids were half companion and have guard. Never knowing who might be an Eye and who to trust must be soul destroying.

I think Serena is quite a tragic figure - in the book and in the TV series. She must feel so betrayed by the ideals she fought for and that she is now kind of forced to uphold because otherwise what would her life be?? Admitting that she supporting a world view that while giving her some kind of social status by dint of her husband's role, considers her without value as she cannot have children would render everything she stands for invalid, and herself by extension.

The author who wrote a book about women being able to electrocute men by touch thereby causing a power change over (sorry, I cannot remember either name Blush) was talking on Radio Scotland today. She said the idea for her book came from when she wondered why so many mechanisms in society seem to go back to the fact that 'more men can throw a woman across a room than the other way around'. It's a depressing thought that physical strength underpins so much.

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lottieandmia · 09/07/2017 18:21

I think it would be fair to day that shorter skirts have been 'fashionable' for at least the last 20 years.

EvilTwins · 09/07/2017 19:23

Noble I have never flashed my knickers at a class, and teach drama.

I don't have an issue asked either girls or boys to adjust uniform to make it fit school rules. Several of the schools near me are bringing in new skirts, with embroidered logos on the waistband which have to be on display, so girls can't roll them up. A friend, who teaches at one of these schools, has said he's pleased because it's "awkward" telling girls to unroll their skirts in case they "think he's a perv".

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 09/07/2017 19:30

Ra-Ra skirts and puff-balls were also unacceptable

Wow! That triggered quite a powerful 80s flashback. There was a fashionista 6th former in my school who was always on trend. She was the only one who (almost) managed to pull off the puffball - she had a hideous peach meringue.

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/07/2017 19:43

90s when I was a teen was baggy jeans t-shirts and long skirts with a split up the side.

I went to an all girls school, and don't remember there ever being a rule about how long the skirt should be, I remember lots of different lengths, lots of the long ones with the split up the side, pencil skirts, average skirts, short skirts and trousers, I do remember seeing an pic of old girls in the 60s/70s with the shortest skirts I'd ever seen!

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/07/2017 19:45

Sorry that was in reply to this

Has there ever been a fashion for girls to wear comfy trousers? Like the boys get to wear?

SomethingOnce · 09/07/2017 19:47

I'd have settled for any skirt that wasn't knee length A-line. Ugly long and also un-roll-upable, exactly as the headteacher intended Hmm

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/07/2017 19:53

Maybe because it was the 90s and maybe becuase there were not any rules about the style and length and we could wear trousers also, maybe that's why there wasn't a problem?

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/07/2017 19:55
noblegiraffe · 09/07/2017 20:14

Right Evil, so flashing knickers is undesirable. Clearly it is for teenage girls too, which is why they wear gym knickers under their PE skirts. So why not shorts under school skirts to free them from that concern when doing drama?

I taught quite a few teenage girls who chose to wear cycling shorts under their school skirts.

I tend to think that school uniforms shouldn't have skirts at all, tbh.

You hear some women who wear the niqab saying how liberating it is.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 09/07/2017 20:38

"Has there ever been a fashion for girls to wear comfy trousers? Like the boys get to wear?"

Late 90's - combat trousers. But that is pretty much it.

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 09/07/2017 20:40

We never had to wear gym skirts either - adidas tracksuits (poppers!!) all round for PE Grin

I suppose at the kind of school I went to, they were just grateful that we took part!!

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/07/2017 20:42

Early 90s baggy jeans, late 90s baggy jeans/ combat trousers....

And let's not forget the shell suit Grin

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/07/2017 20:43

Oh and grunge style

TheweewitchRoz · 09/07/2017 20:47

The shell suit Grin

Back on topic, I don't want to see anyone's underwear (male or female) & definitely think in either school or workplace (which it is for teachers) that underwear should not be visible. I don't see how that is sexist or misogynistic in any way Confused

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/07/2017 20:53

Nearly time!

I've started recording poldak and watching the handmaids tale first now.

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 21:01

Life before Gilead....

Electricaid · 09/07/2017 21:21

This is heartbreaking.

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 21:29

The resistance?

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 21:38

I can't help thinking of countries like Afghanistan where women lost their freedoms after the regime changed.

Gathering up fertile women....

QueenieGoldstein · 09/07/2017 21:40

Is the unnamed woman a rescued handmaid?

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 21:43

This is pretty fucked up......

Indeed

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 21:46

That was totally shocking

It pulls no punches.

Ktown · 09/07/2017 21:48

Struggling to watch.
Plenty of countries are not so different. Less dystopia and more reflection.

paddypants13 · 09/07/2017 21:49

Me too Ktown. I'm new to the world of feminism but the stuff I've already read plus the news makes me believe this does and could happen.

Orlantina · 09/07/2017 21:50

Plenty of countries always have people prepared to make money out of people trying to flee.

Berlin Wall.
North Korea
Syria