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The Handmaid's Tale Vol 2

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PacificDogwod · 20/06/2017 16:22

I go to work and this is what happens: the previous thread fills up when I have pertinent things to say! ShockWink

Hope nobody minds, I've taken the opportunity to start a new one before the Offspring demand food and the likes...

One of the masterful strikes of strategic genius of the new regime is the division and envy between everybody and everybody: men vs women, women in different roles vs other women, high ranking vs low ranking.
No solidarity is allowed - even the partnered Handmaids were half companion and have guard. Never knowing who might be an Eye and who to trust must be soul destroying.

I think Serena is quite a tragic figure - in the book and in the TV series. She must feel so betrayed by the ideals she fought for and that she is now kind of forced to uphold because otherwise what would her life be?? Admitting that she supporting a world view that while giving her some kind of social status by dint of her husband's role, considers her without value as she cannot have children would render everything she stands for invalid, and herself by extension.

The author who wrote a book about women being able to electrocute men by touch thereby causing a power change over (sorry, I cannot remember either name Blush) was talking on Radio Scotland today. She said the idea for her book came from when she wondered why so many mechanisms in society seem to go back to the fact that 'more men can throw a woman across a room than the other way around'. It's a depressing thought that physical strength underpins so much.

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SomethingOnce · 26/06/2017 23:49

In response to these posts a while back:

It has an internal logic to it which makes sense, like somehow it all holds together

Does it ? To me it make no sense whatsoever - totally unbelievable. Who is meant to be benefitting from this kind of regime?

As others have pointed out even the men don't seem to be getting much from it - off fighting at some far away war, standing around on guard for hours or living a horrible existence but just thankful to have a job...

Sounds very similar to Daesh in Syria, so completely believable. Shit for women, naturally, but it doesn't look much fun for anyone, even the religious apocalypse fans at the top, really (at least not day to day).

The following, from the Guardian, explains how many of the Syrian-born fighters were far from being ideologues (unlike the sorely misguided ones that went from the UK with big ideas and ended up finding it all a bit much) but, as you say, were indeed glad of a job:

“Radicalisation is not an explanation for joining a violent extremist group per se,” said the study by International Alert (pdf). “For many young Syrians, belief in extreme ideologies appears to be, at most, a secondary factor in the initial decision to join an extremist group. Religion is providing a moral medium for coping and justification for fighting, rather than a basis for rigid and extreme ideologies.”

Vulnerability is driven by a combination of extreme trauma, loss and displacement, lack of alternative ways to make a decent living, the collapse of social structures and institutions, including education, and the desire to take revenge against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, the report says.

Its findings about the causes of extremism are broadly in line with a recent wider survey of Arab youth, which situated the causes of radicalisation in a lack of jobs and opportunities. In eight of the 16 countries surveyed, employment problems were a bigger pull factor for Isis than extreme religious views.

AGnu · 26/06/2017 23:49

DH actually stayed in the room for some of this week's episode. It gave me a chance to explain it to him a little. He scoffed when I suggested that it's not that far removed from a possible future scenario... Then went very quiet when I pointed out the similarities with the way women are treated all over the world.

He's usually a head-in-sand sort of person but he's recently been to a "men's event" & was lamenting the promotion of a masculine stereotype & saying he felt somewhat alienated for not fully conforming to the specifications. He said it was put across as a joke but he felt it was taken too far. I pointed out that "humour" & "teasing" are frequently used to embarrass people into complying with gender roles & think it helped him to see a little of what it's like as a woman who doesn't conform to the "feminine" stereotype! I'm hopeful that I can use both that experience & THT to get him to listen a little more to my feminist concerns. It's only fairly recently that I've started to really take notice myself & until now he's mostly nodded along but I think he's just seen it as my latest obsession I do tend to have frequent, short-lived, intense obsessions. Hopefully he'll start to see the issues a bit more now!

cadnowyllt · 27/06/2017 13:24

Sounds very similar to Daesh in Syria, so completely believable.

Yeah, but Daesh in Syria is like a secondary bacteria invasion infecting an already traumatised region - not somewhere like the USA (not saying that USA doesn't have its fair share of extremists - but not enough to carry a coup).

PacificDogwod · 27/06/2017 15:40

SomethingOnce, v good post.

The same/similar could be said about disenfranchised young men in the poorer 'ghettos' of American cities joining gangs. It's not necessarily a better life but it gives some sort of purpose and belonging to somebody who has little perspective in life.

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ChardonnaysPrettySister · 28/06/2017 09:46

Lots of spoilers in here, so careful if you don't want them, but a good piece about the music used throughout.

www.stylist.co.uk/life/handmaids-tale-easter-eggs-soundtrack-music-songs-meaning-secrets-tv-spoilers

ShoesHaveSouls · 28/06/2017 13:03

Excellent article, Chardonnay, I've only gone as far as ep5 so far.

InigoTaran · 28/06/2017 14:35

Fascinating article, thanks! Here's a presentation I found about the symbolism of the different colours, hadn't even thought about what the flowers represent...

prezi.com/m/0vpbvtompy9c/the-handmaids-tale-recurring-symbolism-of-color/

StorminaBcup · 28/06/2017 16:33

Brilliant article Chardonnay - thanks.

SomethingOnce · 28/06/2017 21:45

I don't mind a spoiler or two Smile Thanks for posting the link.

ElenaGreco123 · 28/06/2017 22:28

I need spoilers to prepare myself. Thanks Flowers

IndominusRex · 30/06/2017 07:56

Those saying that they couldn't imagine in the U.S., just look at how many people voted for Trump on the basis of a few shitty slogans and him not having a vagina, even though they're going to be a hell of a lot worse off because of it.

CoolCarrie · 30/06/2017 09:09

Will the series be available on DVD at all? And are the past episodes on YouTube or anywhere else? I missed last week, and would like to catch up before this Sunday.

StorminaBcup · 30/06/2017 09:36

It's on 4od. You can download the app and watch the whole series so far online.

CoolCarrie · 30/06/2017 10:44

Thank you Storm

onedayatatime73 · 30/06/2017 20:52

Sorry to be a bit slow - but what does being an Eye mean exactly? Feel like I should know and I don't understand what that means exactly.

Orlantina · 30/06/2017 21:32

This ad just shows how the Handmaid's tale could happen.

The USA. Now

uk.businessinsider.com/national-rifle-association-ad-call-to-violence-2017-6?r=US&IR=T

ElenaGreco123 · 30/06/2017 21:50

oneday I thought the eyes were sort of religious spies / police. You know like the religious police in Iran. Their enforcement also seems to focus on women.

Orlantina That is so scary!

noblegiraffe · 30/06/2017 21:51

I imagine an Eye is an informer, like the Stasi used to recruit. One of my university professors who worked in the DDR talked about how the Stasi tried to recruit him to inform on colleagues with promises of boosting his career. He said no. Terrifying when anyone you know could be reporting back to the regime about you.

FairfaxAikman · 30/06/2017 22:06

I think the Eyes are supposed to be undercover spies for the establishment. I imagine the job title comes from the term "the all seeing eye of God".

ilovevenice · 30/06/2017 22:37

OK so I sat down tonight all set to start watching this but the first episode is no longer available on 4od. Can I see it anywhere else? Does it matter hugely to miss ep. 1? So annoyed with myself as I've been meaning to start this for ages. Angry

ShoesHaveSouls · 30/06/2017 22:45

There are some suggestions of sites with all episodes on on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/a2962593-Handmaids-tale-a-quick-question#69990914

I can't vouch for their safety, but no, you don't want to miss the first episode. Can't believe they've taken the first one down from C4 already!

poohsticks13 · 30/06/2017 23:19

I've watched episodes on mythewatchseries without any problems. I used solar before that but one of the episodes was missing.

SerfTerf · 30/06/2017 23:22

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Pemba · 30/06/2017 23:36

Like BBC iPlayer, All 4 (new name for 4od) takes a lot of things down one month after broadcast. Probably they are not licensed by the company that makes the show to keep it available any longer than that. So episode 2 will be disappearing soon, and a week later episode 3, and so on.

They are alternative ways, as Shoes has highlighted. Or you could always buy the episode to keep on Amazon Video, it's only £1.89 for the SD version (and it is an extra long episode!)

SerfTerf · 01/07/2017 00:07

I got caught that way with the most recent series of Homeland venice. It's very irritating. Two months before deletion would be helpful.