Three Girls (BBC 9pm)

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Looking forward to watching this tonight. Feel it might be one to watch with your teenagers..

When Holly saw her younger sister at the house with the men, that was surely a warning to her that they could get to her sister if she didn't cooperate.
And the parents did try and get her back. They stood and hammered on the door and called out to Holly. What else were they supposed to do?

I know Merry, and I wanted to reach through the screen and throttle the social worker who sat there and talked about "life choices" I wonder what happened to them? More training I suppose.....or the bloody sack.

This article in The Independent in 2013 talks about "child prostitutes".
Terrible.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/girl-recruited-to-work-as-child-prostitute-while-under-care-of-social-services-court-told-8645920.html

even bbc etc still do - child porn etc.

For some reason, the national press are seeing fit not to report the court cases. I think the reason for this is that the cases have not actually come to trial yet - defendants have been in court on remand, but the case has not fully been heard. At that stage in proceedings newspapers are very limited in what they are allowed to report - not much more than the defendants names and what they are charged with. Local papers will do this because a list of names is quite interesting if there is a chance readers will know the people listed - less interesting in a national paper. Much more likely to report when the men have been convicted and sentenced because more details can then be reported and newspapers can then give the full picture. In cases with a lot of defendants it can take a long time to get to this point so often you might not see a report until a long time after the event.

Was that her younger sister at the house wearing the school jumper?

I thought it was just a younger relative of the boy Holly first went around to 141 to see. She'll be 'recruited' into the abuse.

It's utterly depressing and enraging that rape culture is so ingrained in society that once a girl has past puberty that there's a feeling she's responsible - even if it's only an inkling of a feeling in a person: but it shows up in the thinking she could have prevented it, or she could have not gone back for more, or the ultimate one that because she's had sex before then she should be ok to have sex with any man that wants to have sex with her.

I do think the have shown the grooming going on. I don't know how much more they could have shown it.

'Daddy' treated them well, providing treats in the way of free food, and then introduced alcohol. This all caused lonely unloved (Holly felt so) girls to feel wanted and special. When he first raped Holly she was shocked at the idea that his kindness had been done with intention. She definitely said no. He over powered her and then threatened her: she did tell the police and her parents knew. The police did nothing (except make out it wasn't really anything wrong) and then released Daddy. She went back because he threatened her, her younger sister with rape and her parents.

I don't think society's opinion of women and sex accept how fear can make a woman (or adolescent girl) engage in sex, and because she has engaged in it then she's chosen to do so at some.

Only when a woman or adolescent girl is physically overpowered then this idea she didn't really chose to might occur. But even then the fact that she put herself in the situation means she partly caused it.

The social works and police can be seen to think like this.

You can see it in this thread a bit, there's even those that found it harrowing questioning why she put herself in the situation.

I agree tizzy, it was all clear and all obvious.

Sorry went on a bit of a rant there.

Even her parents didn't understand as they questioned why she went back.

Even her parents didn't understand as they questioned why she went back.

Yes but they didnt see the rape or threats whereas we did.? I can see why she went back, scared, helpless, no confidence, a child...........

No they didn't. Because they didn't understand how sexual exploitation works. Now if they saw it happening again to a girl, they would know that there would be threats and abuse happening, even if no one told them.

Honestly before all this came about what would any of us know about it, how would anyone know there is a fully working set up - sex ring of adult men all linked up for hundreds of miles around in taxis and kebab shops all doing exactly the same thing, its pretty mind blowing. The level, scale and depravity of it all is hard to imagine or comprehend.

Only the Sexual health lady saw it as she had gone to the trouble of linking it all up, all the names and all the girls. You see one man, one taxi and a few men in a kebab shop how can anyone imagine there are hundreds more men behind that

They included Afraz Ahmed, a former bus driver who picked up two of his young victims from school and offered them free tickets

He was originally questioned in 2006 but a decision was made not to prosecute him after he claimed the girls' complaints against him were racially motivated

That is the most horrible thing I've ever watched. Of course I'm grateful for the BBC making it as it must be told but still. That will stay with me for a long time!

RoseandVioletCreams we'd know a young girl said she'd been raped.

Yes of course I mean the reasons she went back - what could her parents do, even they didn't understand etc etc etc. Your talking about young girls up agaisnt organized crime and huge networks,

It had been brought to the attention of authorities long before the sexual worker. Care homes had reported that girls were been picked up by taxis in the early 90s.

Oh sorry, I thought you meant when she first said she'd be raped.

They were confused at her being called a prostitute and her behaviour ('prossie' dance)

I watched this with my DS 20. My DS 16 was asleep safe and sound in her bed. He looked at me and said "Mum, we have such a good life. Some kids have it rough". I hugged both of them that little bit longer this morning. It was heartbreaking to watch.

Tizzy i was responding to the posters above

Care homes seem to have been and probably still are the go to place for predators to get at and abuse young children who runs them now - group 4 security?

I can't stop thinking about this. A difficult question i keep coming to is.... is it cultural? Are the gangs/rings nationwide linked? Traffiking to each other? ... if not then surely it is a question that needs adressing, as uncomfortable as it is. As Asian woman are generally more repressed than western woman in traditional set ups do these men see their prey as fair game?

Or are there really so many unconnected peadophiles operating in the same manner through kebab shops and taxi companies.

I talked to many people today (education setting) so many said 'and its still happening'. How can it be stopped? All schools in Derbyshire had the hard hitting drama piece 'Chelseas choice' focus in CSE and it did scare half the kids to death. But what about the truly vulnerable? Are they even in school? How can they be reached/supported?

It is still happening and not just in big cities.

I work at an all girls school. Most of my colleagues watched the programme and even those who are already on our child protection team and have done CSE training had sleepless nights afterwards.

A more credible link, says one senior source involved in bringing the criminals to justice, are their occupations. Speaking on condition of anonymity, the source said the demography of certain areas and the makeup of the night-time economy explained the over-representation of Asian offenders.

The source said: "Young vulnerable girls migrate to the night-time economy, where they come across taxi drivers and people working in takeaways, who are more likely to be Asian. It is better to focus on the professions of offenders, not their race or religion.

chosenone that's from this article:

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/child-grooming-sexual-abuse-race

Sad fact is white men do groom and sexually exploit young girls. Many paedophiles are white. In truth when the perpetrator is white their race or religion aren't a factor.

Interesting points. It does make some sense that there are few places vulnerable kids can go when just 'hanging round' at night.