LOD Series 4 Big Fellas and Wee Girls-this way, we need to look further Ifield.

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New and maybe our last thread

I think they should leave the filming of the final episode of the next series and let mumsnet write it! It'd be way better, let's face it.

Enrique I absolutely agree that Jamie is a plant.

His incompetence in interview stretched all credibility...

Craicmammy congratulations on your newborn, but bad luck on the back problem

I like your thoughts, but to pick holes in the story, first off while I favour the idea that the children aren't biologically Roz's, they weren't that young over the period her career break and someone pointed out that Nick refers to Roz as 'Mum' to them. Not sure if that would be the case if they weren't hers. Also not sure such a high profile individual would be a good fit for witness protection having two children who look like her suddenly appear from nowhere. Looking like her though, well from what we can see they do, especially the hair, is why I thought they might be her niece and nephew.

Secondly, if Roz had assistance from other members of the force following Ifield's accidental death, then surely she'd have been able to get medical attention for the festering wound and have it treated?

I wish there was a bit more online biography and background information, especially setting out just what these various units do and who works for which just for some clarity and distinction e.g. Roz is 'major violent crime' isn't she? but that covers murder as well because it's only the Met that designates a 'Murder Squad' is that right?

As you say ktel as well as AC-12 Anti Corruption, we're not absolutely sure about AC-9's remit and I've also read about TO-20 from past series.

Re the facts v truth issues, also remember that Ifield was stressing to Roz about the forensic evidence being the truth and Roz arguing back that it takes an experienced officer to put the right interpretation on the evidence and facts.

Beans my head is full of potential bluffs and double bluffs

I liked the theory I read somewhere that Nick's constant spelling of his solicitor's name outloud may be a writer's joke about spelling something out for the watching audience I love a play on words and clues in plain sight like that.

I actual lol'd when Nick started spelling out the bloody name AGAIN when being arrested

I've been trying to get more information/clarity on the departmental structures without success.

The information just hasn't been revealed fully in the series so we can only speculate.

Are AC-12 and/or AC-9 units within a different department?

We have heard of major violent crimes,major crimes,the murder squad.

I think that the murder squad is another name for major violent crimes .

It's confusing.

This is what we know in regards to officers within the various departments:

Ac-9- Jane Akers,Dot,Jamie

Major violent crimes-Hargreaves,Sam

What is the name of Roz's department is it Major Crimes?

With Dot he was a DS in TO-20, took his inspectors exam and was then working as a DI in AC-9 .
He was then seconded to AC-12 (at Dryden's suggestion) where he became a permanent member of the team.

The identity of H is supposed to relate to the person who promoted Dot
Which promotion would that relate to exactly, his move from DS to DI?

We know that Hilton recommended he take the the exam . However was someone else involved in actually then promoting him to a DI ?

Did he go directly to AC-9 ,maybe he was promoted to a DI in Major Violent crimes first - which is possibly the main department of AC-9?

We don't know Dot's actual movement between the end of his time in TO-20 and his role as DI in AC-9.

The reason I am interested in this is because I think the assumption is that Hilton is responsible for his promotion but that's not necessarily the case.

It's doing my head in .

Maybe Jimmy has suffered a lifetime of his name being incorrectly spelt as "Laikwell" and his fury over this during the time he and Nick were at law school together utterly traumatised Nick, so he spells it out now automatically as a form of ptsd. Also explains his general jitteriness and wobbly bottom lip.

The spelling out of the name constantly is a bit weird.

Maybe he is willing them to make a connection to the name Lakewell in the Ronan Murphy report.

Or maybe we're reading too much into it and he's just a bit of a weirdo lol

ok just found some more information on the departments .

The murder squad ( a division of CID) is indeed a separate department and Sam is in that department and not in major violent crimes

Roz is in Major Violent Crimes.

Some interesting theories but in reality things like an unusual adoption, or Nick being in prison would be on Roz's file with the police, and therefore known to AC12. My ex DH was a cop and I worked with the police and all your immediate family members information was checked as part of the vetting. If Nick had been convicted of anything like money laundering it's highly unlikely that Roz would have the job that she does.

I heard Dr JM say in an interview that when he writes his plots his considers what 'might' happen, not sticking to what could or should happen. He was referring to Danny Waldron getting permission to return to firearms duty in series three. I accept it would seem highly unusual for an officer to adopt children in WP, but could it be possible?

I've not had any other ideas why AC-9 might be interested in Roz Huntley or who else might have had an interest in helping her clean up after Tim's death. I hope MN has some good suggestions!

Nick can't have been to prison (especially not for a white collar crime) as the SRA would've revoked his practising certificate. So that's a no-go!

Well my research via Wikipedia says TO20 is a 'serious crime' unit

and

YY to Major Violent Crimes ktel It's very annoying though how you have to dig around to find out this information.

Presumable AC-9 denotes that this unit predates AC-12?

I honestly think the Lakewell thing (although I do still have my early onset dementia pet theory!) is a clue to the devotees of series 3 (I think it is) to look harder at that name. Which they obediently did and found it in that redacted document...

But it could just be JM testing us for his own amusement. He likes having us all waste time on irrelevant stuff I imagine.

So, for example, having just finished rewatching series 1 last night:

1. what happened to Simon?
2. Where is Ryan?
3. Where is Jackie (obviously)
4. Will the terrorism plot resurface?

and I still don't know what TO stands for!! And it really really bugs me!!

I am still firmly of the opinion you are all barking up the wrong tree with your importance of the children theory and may look very stupid on Sunday night

Enrique- Ac-12 and AC-9 are definitely separate departments.

AC-9 is known as the Witness Protection unit.

I don't know if all of this is unclear because it's irrelevant to the story or not.

The only reason I'm trying to work it out is to see if it fits with my current theory of Hargreaves being H and not Hilton.

I'm going to have to let it go though because there just isn't any clear information anywhere.

Enrique- sorry I misunderstood what you meant by pre dates- yes that would make sense , that AC-12 was formed after AC-9 within the force

Regarding the children- if just one of them actually speaks on Sunday that would be progress

Delurks and going back a bit.

I think the post it was from Jodie about Jodie. For some reason, probably related to her career break, Roz has been bkackmailed to frame Farmer. Jodie, whilst seemingly creeping adoringly round Roz, is actually watching her for people behind the blackmail. This explains why Jodie looked annoyed and worried at arresting Hana - it wasn't part of the people behind the blackmail and framing plan and it explains why Jodie does things like collect Roz from hospital- it isn't being helpful and suckarse it is making sure Roz doesn't deviate from what she is supposed to do.

Regarding the children- if just one of them actually speaks on Sunday that would be progress
but then they might bust the budget.

Maybe we're reading too much into the letter prefixes? I had assumed that the AC was Anti Corruption, but then that doesn't fit with AC-9.
Maybe the AC and TO are as simple as identifying who was the chief overseeing officer when the unit was founded, or, geographical as to a Station where they're based but that would mean ACs 9 and 12 operating from the same location, which isn't so
As up above TO20 is Serious Crime, but the letters don't mean anything in relation to that?

Are we sure that AC-9 deal exclusively with witness protection? or has that come up as a consequence of prior investigations?

I am definitely over invested and giving my brain a serious workout just for the sake of it

Yes AC-9 is definitely only witness protection.

I recently re watched all of the series and it's been mentioned a lot and only ever called witness protection.

I'm done thinking about this aspect now- I can't take it any more lol

It was only so that I could reinforce my Hargreaves theory .

If not prison, I think Nick was off the scene when Roz took on the children and that's why he's a bit clueless about what's going on. Nick could still work as a 'lawyer' even without a practicing certificate.

Thanks for that ktel as a beginner, I really wanted to get that straight.

If Maneet is/was working for Ted, why would he want Dot's "deathbed confession" passing on-especially if it implicated him?

A corporate firm wouldn't touch anyone with a criminal record like that. And if he's practising he does need a praticising certificate. He certainly couldn't be a lawyer or a 'lawyer' without one. The SRA rules are quite clear about when we need one!

Louise Woodward managed to get one!

A lawyer is a non-regulated umbrella term that covers barristers, solicitors, paralegals etc. To call yourself a solicitor you need a PC, and good character, a criminal record won't necessarily preclude you getting one if having one won't damage the reputation of the profession. My point is, I don't think Nick has held himself as a corporate solicitor, just a corporate lawyer, which suggests to me he has a bit of a past...