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Call the midwife- brand new series starts tonight!!

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Soubriquet · 22/01/2017 10:23

At 8pm

Who's ready for it?!

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Akire · 27/02/2017 17:38

The girl was her sister

PoloZolo · 27/02/2017 17:43

Ah that makes more sense, thanks! Knew I must have missed something!

Soubriquet · 27/02/2017 17:48

My dh was quite shocked

He had heard of FGM but he thought it was just sewed together.

He actually looked a bit green when I explained exactly what happened

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 27/02/2017 18:01

I agree this was a really well-done episode. I did feel it was a little twee/sweet that they portrayed the mother eventually deciding not to have her daughter cut, but her speech was powerful and I agree it was better to show the complexity of it rather than some nice middle-class voiceover.

There's a brilliant book (and a series more) by a woman called Waris Dirie, who describes how she actually asked her mother to have her cut when she was growing up, because she associated it with being an adult. Sad So terrible.

Cliterodectomy was practised until very recently in the UK and the US. I read about a woman who was treated for masturbation when she was a very young child. She was operated on under anaesthetic, and when she woke up she says she remembers just gradually discovering it didn't feel nice any more to touch herself, so she stopped. But of course much later on she discovered what had been done to her. If I remember rightly, that was in the 1930s or 40s.

Going back much further, there are lots of medical writings in the European tradition about it. There was a school of thought that unusually large clitorises gave women excessive sexual desire, or misdirected their sexual desires towards other women, so cliterodectomy was the 'cure' for lesbianism or promiscuity.

CoolCarrie · 27/02/2017 19:57

Waris Dirie's books are harrowing, but excellent.
Desert Flower, Desert Dawn, Desert Children and Saving Safa, which is about rescuing a little girl from FGM.
There is a centre in Berlin called Desert Flower centre which offers reconstructive surgery, urology, gynaecologists, midwifery, psychological care and social work.

IAmAPaleontologist · 27/02/2017 22:09

Oh my goodness I'm catching up now and the glimpses in the background of the woman with the doll that she was dandling like a baby were enough to break my heart.

diddl · 28/02/2017 08:48

I thought that it was quite well done.

Cynthia's story is heartrending.

When the woman was saying defiantly that no man would dare cut her, it was just striking then wasn't it that it was women doing it for men?

So presumably they have to be cut & re stitched for every birth?

Yet the ludicrousness of preventing a natural function didn't make the FGM stop?

It's just impossible to understand really, isn't it?

HeyRoly · 28/02/2017 09:50

Yes, essentially it's women mutilating girls for the benefit of men, but I think it runs deeper than that. An uncut woman is considered abnormal, unclean, unmarriageable and, essentially, a social pariah.

That's why I found it hard to get on board with the "and she chose not to let her baby girl be cut when she was older". I thought it was lame. Considering how prevalent FGM still is in some communities in this country, the opposite would have been much more plausible.

Also thought it was peculiar that "Mrs Farah" was at first unaware that FGM wasn't normal for ALL women everywhere, but by the close of the episode, she'd suddenly remembered its wider cultural significance and was able to defend it and explain it.

diddl · 28/02/2017 10:46

Yes I also don't think that she would have given up the idea so easily-especially if she was wanting her daughter to marry into the same community.

And if her mum was still alive-pressure from her & maybe even her sister?

Dancergirl · 28/02/2017 12:50

Just caught up with Sunday's episode.

OMG, what was I thinking even considering letting my 10 year old dd watch it?! Confused I suppose SOME episodes are fairly innocent but there are some very adult themes, in the earlier series too. I've told dd no more CTM for the moment, I will reconsider when she's 12 or so.

Looking forward to next week's episode - another Nurse Crane fan here.

YippieKayakOtherBuckets · 28/02/2017 14:36

A thought occurred to me when I caught up with this week's episode.

IIRC, Delia is an RN and cannot practise as a midwife until she has completed further training, hence her studying a few eps ago. Val is an army nurse by training. Why has she been allowed to practise as a midwife without any additional training? Have I missed something?

Megatherium · 28/02/2017 15:17

I assume Val has had midwifery training at some point in her career.

Sunnymeg · 28/02/2017 16:30

I did wonder how Val could have midwifery experience having been a nurse in time of war, but I think they had general training in everything so that they would be of use wherever they were sent. Next week they will revisit the thalidomide story and then according to the picture in the new edition of the TV Times they're ending the series with Tom and Barbara's wedding. Don't know whether baby Turner will make an appearance before the end of the series, or wait until the Christmas special.

BeyondUnderthinking · 28/02/2017 16:50

Could be the Christmas special (not that I see that baby being born without a hitch - way too much "aren't we happy" foreshadowing...)

I was thinking it was sort of June-ish at the moment (and I know sheelagh has passed 20weeks), but I googled and the cuban missile crisis was October '62 (I also thought we were in 1961 for some reason - must have missed something there!!)

IAmAPaleontologist · 28/02/2017 16:52

Oh please don't make us wait until the Christmas special, I'm sure Mrs Turner has been pregnant for ever and she's even more annoying pregnant than not.

ShelaghTurner · 28/02/2017 16:57

Baby Turner won't be born in the Christmas special although there is a lot going on in the last ep Angry. They've flown through 1962, usually the CTM year ends at end of October (last year was an exception due to breaking of thalidomide story being in December '61) and we've still got two eps to go.

I'm told that Valerie was in the Queen Alexandra’s Royal Army Nursing Corps, which are known for their medical skill, and she would have practised midwifery as part of that, hence she is already a trained midwife.

My 9 and 5 year olds do usually watch CTM with me but they didn't watch this week's. They don't need to know about things like that yet.

iklboo · 28/02/2017 17:45

I'm wondering if Baby Turner will make an appearance at Tom & Barbara's wedding?

ShelaghTurner · 28/02/2017 18:08

Ooh. Didn't think of that!

AnneEyhtMeyer · 28/02/2017 20:04

9 and 5 year olds watching? Isn't it past their bedtimes as well as being too old for them? There is no way I'd let my 8 year old watch.

ShelaghTurner · 28/02/2017 20:30

It would be past their bedtimes if the little beggars ever went to sleep at a decent time, which they don't!

As for it being too old, yes I agree to an extent. They like to watch it, they know I love it and they enjoy it too and are very familiar with the set up and characters. I tend to know a lot about each episode beforehand and I judge on a week to week basis. So they weren't allowed to watch the first one this year that dealt with domestic violence. They were allowed to watch last week's with the lad with Downs and they weren't allowed to watch this week's. They did both see the thalidomide births last year and we had a lot of conversation about disability in general off the back of that. They know Susan Mullucks is back next week and they're interested in seeing her. But yes there are some topics that I don't feel comfortable with them seeing and then they won't watch.

Girliefriendlikesflowers · 28/02/2017 22:07

This is the first year that my 11yo dd had watched some of the episodes, I think its a useful programme for discussing fairly recent history and how some things have changed. That said in hindsight not sure i would have let her watch last weeks, not sure she needs to know about FGM yet Sad

I have told her that she won't be watching next weeks until I have seen it first (apart from anything else I like watching it by myself without anyone asking me annoying questions Grin )

PatsyMount · 28/02/2017 22:30

And yet FGM is actually happening to girls younger than 8/9/10. Sad

ShelaghTurner · 01/03/2017 01:30

It's horrible to think isn't it Patsy Sad. I cried my eyes out when they sent Deka off.

My eldest sits there with a notepad and jots down questions because I've told her she's not allowed to disturb me Grin. She'll sit there muttering "well that answers that one..." and crossing them off!

In all seriousness it works well because she knows what she wants to talk about afterwards and I can answer her questions properly. And both my girls are wonderfully educated about childbirth!

MrsJamin · 01/03/2017 07:11

It's not so much the childbirth stuff that I wouldn't want my boys watching (7 & 9) it's the other awful stuff that goes on around it, I wouldn't let them watch it until they were teenagers. Also, they are in bed especially as it's a school night.

oldmum22 · 01/03/2017 11:47

I enjoyed this weeks episode ,really emotional. I am really hoping that Trixie has a happy ending with the dentist, she will have to tell him she is an alcoholic though. The recovery of Sr Cynthia is very sympathetically depicted ,such a hard thing to deal with depression. Nurse Crane is a star and judging by next weeks episode she will beating herself up.