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Apple Tree Yard starts on Sunday! [MNHQ message: No spoilers please, including what happens in the book!]

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Destinysdaughter · 18/01/2017 12:44

I really enjoyed the book so looking forward to this. It's in 4 parts with Emily Watson playing the main character and Ben Chaplin as her lover. BBC1 9pm

Good article about it here.

www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jan/14/emily-watson-apple-tree-yard-middle-aged-women-infidelity-sexuality#comments

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Braceybracegirl · 23/01/2017 12:03

Nothing has been given away though. Absolutely nothing.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 23/01/2017 12:03

Oh I quite liked all that Grin

Groovee · 23/01/2017 12:17

I watched it this morning. Wasn't sure what to expect but I really enjoyed it but did find the ending a shock.

Kept wondering where I knew Emily Watson from. It was the memory keepers daughter in 2008 where she played an older character.

deloresclaiborne · 23/01/2017 12:22

whats a spook ,is it some sort of undercover cop

BlueOnMondayNight · 23/01/2017 12:22

I'm not saying intelligent people don't have affairs...where did I say that?

I'm saying that I'm surprised, given her apparent intelligence, that she jumps to a conclusion like that (i.e. that he's a spook), without apparently considering another (more) likely scenario. You can have your head turned and find the sex thrilling (and therefore want to conduct or carry on with an affair), but still have at the back of your mind a more questioning/cynical attitude. After all, we're led to believe her confidence (in matters of physical attraction, not science) is dented. In that situation, wouldn't you be more questioning/cynical about someone's intentions, and not take stuff so much at face value?

Wouldn't necessarily stop you having the affair. Intelligent people are risk takers too if the trade-off is good..

squoosh · 23/01/2017 12:23

A spook is an MI5 spy.

Elendon · 23/01/2017 12:26

I was surprised she hadn't been texted a dick shot lowers the tone of the discussion

Yes, of course intelligent people loose their heads and have affairs, some even go on to have relationships with them. I too loved the spanx scene.

It's interesting that although he says she is gorgeous, she doesn't quite believe it, so somewhere in the back of her mind, there is a voice telling her it's crazy, the whole thing is crazy.

twinklefoot · 23/01/2017 12:27

I thought it was pretty clear that her colleague would rape her. Anyone think Ben is filming her himself for online sex porn? I haven't read the book!

BlueOnMondayNight · 23/01/2017 12:27

Do we actually even know his name yet???

I can't recall if we're told it...

Deadsouls · 23/01/2017 12:31

Okay...have read book but a while ago.
I'm finding it a bit excruciating watching this...I wonder why?
He's so slimy and such a sleaze, arghhhh she's fallen for him.

deloresclaiborne · 23/01/2017 12:31

thanks squoosh
bloody hell ive just watched the last part (was ill last night) i wasnt expecting that rape scene.

squoosh · 23/01/2017 12:31

His text smut was a bit teenage boy wasn’t it? ‘I want to make you wet’. That’s entry level text filth really.

twinklefoot · 23/01/2017 12:34

No Blue - Ben is his real name Ben Chapman. Smile

squoosh · 23/01/2017 12:35

I found the rape scene genuinely shocking. Not just the fact he raped her, but the way he turned so quickly from jovial colleague to violent psychopath. Plus the panic on her face, pleading with him to stop etc. It felt so real.

twinklefoot · 23/01/2017 12:35

Yes Squoosh.

BlueOnMondayNight · 23/01/2017 12:37

I know it's his real name..sorry, my post wasn't a reference to your using the name "Ben".

It was a completely unconnected thought that we don't know his fictional name. Which is a bit weird

ImperialBlether · 23/01/2017 12:41

He's Ben Chaplin, not Chapman!

user1475253854 · 23/01/2017 12:42

Me too squoosh. I sensed something coming but not that. I watched on my own v late at night and was really unsettled, which is the point I know.

ImperialBlether · 23/01/2017 12:47

I've read the book so won't include any spoilers, but I think the reason for the 'spook' thing is actually she knows nothing about him except what she's made up in her head. She married young and had a daughter in her early 20s - her own daughter said "You did this five years before me". I got the impression that she is treating this new guy like she would have treated a boyfriend when she was an adolescent, where she makes up things about him and succumbs to passion without thinking of consequences. He's already told her two different careers he's in and she's so giddy she's heard him but not listened. Also, because he was in the room with all those important people, she assumes he's like that himself, doesn't she?

With her husband, too, she's seeing what she wants to see. I did find it odd, though, that his student (smashing bottles) was outside the house in the middle of the night, then he took her home, only returning at lunch time the next day. I can't believe he would stay out all that time without being questioned.

ImperialBlether · 23/01/2017 12:52

I was shocked by the rape scene in that I was surprised he would do that when others were around. He threatened to hit her and tbh I think that would be the best thing, as it's clearly non-consensual if she has been beaten up. In that situation my fear would be that he'd get away with it by saying she agreed to it - no way could anyone say that if she had a bruised face.

BoreOfWhabylon · 23/01/2017 12:54

I haven't read the book but don't think he is a spook, he just wants her to think he is and has probably done this many times before.

We first saw him when he caught up with her to say how much he had enjoyed her explanations in the committe-thingy but I rewatched the beginning and he wasn't in the room! (unless there was a public gallery or similar, which we didn't see?)

I think he's a security guard.

And also think it was quite obvious that husband is having an affair with research assistant and that was why Emily W decided to continue her fling.

user1475253854 · 23/01/2017 12:55

I know I thought that too Imperial (re the bruised face). Which is a depressing thought.

Elendon · 23/01/2017 12:55

I agree with Squoosh re the rape scene. Totally unexpected. Very frightening indeed. This was someone who was jovial and friendly with her all night (and now the rape has taken place, this could well be misconstrued as flirting). I did think, oh yeah, when he asked her up to the office, but her mind was elsewhere and why would she even think that this previously kind and gentle man behave like the way he did? Being friendly with the opposite sex or same sex doesn't mean they have the right to rape you. (I haven't read the book).

BlueOnMondayNight · 23/01/2017 12:56

do you think the fact that she had sex with "Ben" beforehand that night is going to make this difficult as regards having potentially to prove it was rape....if they do a medical exam, they're going to see 2 different men's sperm in there, neither of which belongs to her husband.....

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/01/2017 12:58

'no way could anyone say that if she had a bruised face.'

You would think so, but there are plenty of cases where they have - it was an accident, she liked it rough, she went mental afterwards and I had to defend myself, etc - which is even more depressing....

As you were.