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Unforgotten - ITV

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southeastdweller · 05/01/2017 22:17

Anyone else watch the start of the second series tonight?

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MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 14/01/2017 12:04

I thought she had travelled much further abroad and would have required a visa or similar. Although they didn't take any real details.

evrybuddy · 14/01/2017 12:45

I've only really travelled in Europe so she could have been in America, India etc etc.

1990 though - we didn't even have email then - I don't think they had scanners of any sort - they probably would have still been using rubber stamps and ink pads

Islamic terrorism didn't really exist so there wasn't any emphasis on monitoring

I could be wrong but I thought Schengen didn't come in until the mid 90s...

I know I'm being picky but they say something as though it's important, so seemingly possible, but I doubt it's possible at all - maybe checking paper records of visas... seems unlikely

Optimist1 · 14/01/2017 13:28

Fascinating subject, evrybuddy , and I agree that details such as these should be accurately presented in good TV drama. I've been doing a bit of googling and it seems that Schengen was mid 80's (although I think we're agreed that the travel in question wasn't actually within Europe) and it looks as though my expectation that data is recorded when we leave or enter the UK is unfounded - this FOI reply www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/602/response/1037/attach/html/3/Enquiry%20Bullock%20ppt%20scanning.doc.html was sent in 2008 but doesn't seem to have been superceded.

Surely we must have a UK Border Control person on MN to set our minds at rest?? Smile

evrybuddy · 14/01/2017 14:30

I'd imagine that travel in Europe, even pre-Schengen, (not Eastern-bloc of course) was probably fairly easy anyway with porous borders that are fairly impossible to police.

That's a fascinating insight into biometric passports - matching the details on the chip to the details on the page - and not much else - serves a purpose I suppose.

Back in the early to mid 90s I had a job which involved sending documents with legal standing - we only used faxes for fast transmission because email transfers didn't exist and there were no scanners to upload the documents anyway, even if it had existed.

Of course, the technology probably existed in Silicon Valley and Universities but not for ordinary usage.

As you say, the UK isn't (never has been?) signed up to Schengen so free movement not as free as in other countries but in the last 35 years I've walked past as many unmanned (probably more) as manned passport desks - I can recall my passport being physically handled and read twice but never copied or scanned.

I doubt there's any obligation on airlines to keep passenger lists or that long or credit card records.

Different world then - they hadn't invented small data storage so they edited for likely future value and discarded the rest - shame the BBC did that with all their old recordings too.

Did the teacher/prostitute have a flashback of the murder victim? Or was it just a general flashback?

I'm speculating on a wild party at the lawyer's London pad with drugs and prostitutes and wealthy Tory donors...

Blondeshavemorefun · 14/01/2017 15:29

Seen e1 and about to watch e2

I had noticed lawyer teacher and nurse all the same age

Loving it and no need to watch s1 as different stories tho worth a watch

Also weird that the dead mans ex is a copper

Finbar · 15/01/2017 20:32

I also noticed the rather heavy emphasis in the teacher's lessons on the themes of Sex, Revenge and death.
Could be a clue

Jungfraujoch · 19/01/2017 22:14

Anyone watch tonight's episode?!

eddiemairswife · 19/01/2017 22:27

Yes. Last scene intriguing.

Clawdy · 19/01/2017 22:44

Good acting in that scene where Colin threatened the blackmailer.

NormaSmuff · 20/01/2017 06:56

yes the policewoman, whose husband's body was found she is cold and hard and I can't see her being over emotional as her current husband thinks.
got a bit confused last night.
is the teacher wendy craig's husband do we think?

NormaSmuff · 20/01/2017 06:57

the nurse is a bitch

southeastdweller · 20/01/2017 07:58

Seems like the teacher was Wendy Craig's husband, yes. The nurse mentioned he was off lecturing when she broke into the house in the 80's.

For the life of me I can't figure out who killed David and why - anyone have any theories?

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NormaSmuff · 20/01/2017 08:02

all 4 of them did it,
the nurse , the previous prostitute the lawyer, the wife, or in fact the teacher' or even Wendy Craig

CoolCarrie · 20/01/2017 10:17

I think you are right, PP. it's a conspiracy, like Agatha Christie. All of them had a hand in it. Excellent series, as was the first one. Nicola Walker is great.

Clawdy · 20/01/2017 19:07

It would have been an interesting twist if they hadn't given away the gender of the abusive teacher, and we could be thinking it was Wendy Craig.

Princecharlesfirstwife · 20/01/2017 19:11

I reckon it was the man child son. Killed his dad by mistake (abusive dad Repeating his own childhood abuse perhaps?) and the mum disposed of the body. Triumvirate of angst ridden professionals are complete red herrings.

diddl · 20/01/2017 19:42

Ooh, the plot thickens!

So the guy owned nightclubs?

It's not going to be as mundane as drugs/turf warfare is it?

So I'm guessing Colin got in touch with the other two after being shown the photo?

Wonder how he might have known Marion?

southeastdweller · 20/01/2017 20:29

Prince that's a good theory. I can buy that an abused and possibly disturbed five year old could be capable of killing an adult, even if accidentally.

Also I notice the actress who plays his mum has been in loads of stuff, as has the actor who plays her second husband (I also know he's won big awards for his theatre work). They wouldn't have been hired for this unless they've got some important scenes.

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diddl · 20/01/2017 20:36

"Triumvirate of angst ridden professionals are complete red herrings."

I was wondering about that.

Colin has an alibi, Sarah was abroad wasn't she so where was Marion?

Lunde · 20/01/2017 23:44

Where does the son's neighbour (the nun from Call the Midwife) fit in?

NormaSmuff · 21/01/2017 06:58

The son has been going on about how thinking his dad left him for years to now finding out he was murdered, and how it makes him feel, so unless he is bluffing, i dont believe he did.
his mum is sus

NormaSmuff · 21/01/2017 07:02

anyone notice the ex prostitute's husband was the lovely man in nicola walker's other series on the other side? he was trying to get through to the swedish detective?

southeastdweller · 21/01/2017 07:17

I expect that the neighbour is there so she can be the one for Jason to confide in about him killing his father.

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Princecharlesfirstwife · 21/01/2017 07:46

norma the son has blocked it out because it was so terrible or He didn't realise he killed him and his mum spun him a line about dad disappearing.

I am liking my theory very much. After the ending to S1 I reckon it's going to come out of left field so 5yr old child being the killer is as good a stab in the dark (see what I did there?) as anything else.

teddygirlonce · 21/01/2017 07:49

If it's anything like Series 1, the 'murderer' will be someone very much on the sidelines - like Wendy Craig (or the 'good' sister).

Seems unlikely that a five year old would have the physical power to murder his father.

Think the three meeting at the end were all 'lost souls' (drugs?) around the time that David Walker was murdered. 1990 seems pivotal year for at least two of them (lawyer and teacher) to turn their lives around though... must be for a reason and not coincidental that that was also the year that DW died...(was he 'pimping' them all in some way?)

Unlikely that the actress from CTM would have such a very small role - think we'll be seeing more of her over the coming weeks.

Wasn't Series 1 about childhood abuse (in a care home setting) but the murder turned out to have nothing to do with that in the end?

So we're probably currently being thrown a curve-ball regarding the motive for murder...