The Missing is back next week PART 2!

[HarryPottersMagicWand]

Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

[AlasEarwax]

The more I think about it, the more I'm sure I've heard the name Sophie Geroux before, in series 1. As soon as the returned girl said the name I have a feeling, deep inside my memory that her name was mentioned a few times while they were searching for Ollie in series 1.

Sophie went missing in 2002 I think. Ollie went missing in 2006. Both in France. Baptists would have still been investigating Sophie's disappearance in series 1 while he was search in for Ollie. I recorded series 1 because it was amazing! I'm going to watch it all again (mostly to fill the time while we wait for the conclusion of series 2!) And see if Sophie was mentioned in the 1st series. There may be some kid of clues there. The series 1 timelines are 2006 when Ollie disappears and 2014 where Ollie's family are still investigating. As we know, Sophie/Alice returned in 2014. There MUST be a mention of one or both of the girls somewhere.

I'll be back when I've watched them all and I'll report my findings. Over and out.

[AlasEarwax]

'Scuse typos, I hope any of that makes sense!

[storminabuttercup]

Just watching episode 4 again. The scene where driller is talking to Gemma, you can see he's hiding something when you look back and know...

[Manumission]

Earwax you're a truly dedicated pro

[MarthasHarbour]

I think the Sophie/Alice of 2016 looks empty in the eyes, i think, if the timeline is correct then she left her daughter (little girl) in 2014 and is waiting for her in 2016. I sense an emotional mother/daughter reunion at the end. I can't bear it, the thought of being without DS's for that long... it all fits though.

[MoonfaceAndSilky]

Roger that, Earwax. Keep us informed

[AlasEarwax]

Officer Earwax, reporting for duty.

In episode 3 of series 1, Baptiste interviewed Ollie's father Tony about previous offences and about him having a history of violence etc. He was pretty much trying to find out if Tony had anything to do with Ollie's disappearance. Sounds similar to Sophie's father being accused by Baptiste in series 2. Sophie's father was accused first, around 2002 and Ollie's father was in 2014.

Not sure how relevant this is, but its the only thing I can find that relates to series 2 so far.

[AlasEarwax]

And I forgot how brilliant James nesbitt was in this!

[absolutelynotfabulous]

I think the first Missing was more nail-biting than this. James Nesbitt was very good. I can't make head nor tail of this one.

[youarenotkiddingme]

I made a link a few episodes back as well earwax

Less exciting but the first inkling we got that Alice wasn't Alice and may have been Sophie was her mum putting a yellow scarf around her neck and both having different memories around it.

I made a link between the yellow scarf of series 1 and it being significant maybe in series 2!

[AlasEarwax]

My mistake I've just read my post back. That should read: Sophie's father was accused first, around 2002 and Ollie's father was in 2006 not 2014. Too many timelines!

[AlasEarwax]

I did too youarenotkiddingme 😁 as soon as I saw Alice/Sophie with the scarf I was straight on here to speculate the deep and meaningful mean in of it all! 😁😁

[AlasEarwax]

Bah, sausage fingers! That should say the deep and meaningful meaning of it all....

[youarenotkiddingme]

There's probably no link but the producers knew the audience would all go "oh French, France, yellow scarf...... I wonder......"

[HarryPottersMagicWand]

I twigged the scarf as well. I think it was a nod to series 1 and a way of Gemma trying to confirm her suspicions if Alice remembered it, I think she doubted then that it was her.

When 'Alice' came back and had appendicitis, she said Sophie Giroux in the ambulance, I still think she was answering their question about what her name was. Then Gemma has people arrive at the school saying a girl is in hospital saying she is Alice. I wonder if someone spoke to her after her surgery. There were a lot of people in that room when the Webster's came in and she told her story. Including Army people. I wonder if someone got to her between the ambulance and Gemma being told. Obviously some planning went into it given the Web tattoo and the amount that of information the Sophie knew but I still maintain she was answering the he paramedics at first, and she seemed there have a French accent when she said it.

[altik]

I was ironing at the weekend, so rewatched the entire series to date. I missed lots before, so apologies if this is really obvious or has already been said.

At the end of Episode one Baptiste declares that when Alice returned, he said "when she came back, she was not free - she was still a prisoner".
That combined with the fact that Alice confirms in Episode one her kidnapper had a German accent ( but we know DK is Scottish) the warning from the Brig in Episode 2 to keep her mouth shut, and her saying to the waiter that "she's taken" makes me think she was complicit in keeping the secret. So what would she value more than life / her freedom? I can only think it must be her child. I think the daughter is hers and she kept silent to protect her daughter. I also agree when she said Sophie in the ambulance, I think she was delirious and was telling them her name.

As for the three in Iraq, I wondered whether the three are Henry Reed / Brig and the Butcher's Wife (BW). When the Brig looks at the photo of Iraq in Episode three, it is very blurry on my to, but it does look like there's a black man and a woman there. When Daniel Reed came to see BW in the shop, she told him that she had a reputation and many people did not like her. Daniel tells her his dad wrote in his diary every day until Iraq... I wondered whether she was the third person involved and her husband was framed for the kidnapping because of her / her involvement in Iraq??

Im not sure if I'm reading too much into this, but in Episode 2 in 2016 Baptiste says "if we find Daniel Reed, we'll find those two girls". So does he think they're still alive? Given he knows about the one dead body in the shed, it's an odd thing to say. Also the Brig says when talking to Sam about Alice that he wondered what happened to Alice. Does this mean that she could still be alive? That he knew it wasn't her body in the shed.

Also, when Baptiste asks for a DNA test for Alice, the Brig shuts him down. So did he know Alice wasn't Alice, so could he have arranged the fake DNA to solve it? He knew the suspicions Baptiste had. So I wonder whether he's going to have a lot more involvement because everything seems to keep coming back to him.

Out of interest, Driller Killer was in the investigation when Alice first returned - so also able to change / fabricate evidence if needed.

Finally, there's something that we don't yet know about Sam. He's off duty because "what you did Sam was a cry for help" and whatever it is, it causes Matthew to hate Sam and blame him because at the grave Sam says "he's not forgiven me" so obviously Sam does something major to break down the relationship with Matthew, but we've not seen that yet. Don't think that's going to be connected to the disappearance though.

Anyway, just my musings...

[Dancergirl]

Trying to keep up to date with this thread!

In Series 1, do we know for sure that Ollie died?

[kimlo]

yes, Ollie was ran over and then killed when he came around.

His Dad couldn't acept it and thats why he was still looking.

[altik]

Dancer girl in the tv interview in S2, Baptiste confirms the boy is dead.

[FlibbertyGiblet]

Wow oh wow, am so enjoying the musings, I am a late convert to The Missing. Particularly love the name Driller Killer and feel I need to go and rewatch then to catch to up with you lot :)

Does anyone know where I might be able to get Series 1? I need to watch it

[Dancergirl]

Oh yes thank you kimlo and altik

I had this weird dream last night which made me have a bizarre thought that they had changed Ollie's gender and he was one of the girls! Timeline doesn't work though.

[AlasEarwax]

There is a small chance that Ollie survived somehow. I can't remember all the details of the final episode, but when we see tony in Russia and he sees that boy in those flats, a lot of people on the missing threads , myself included wondered if that was Ollie. I think one conclusion was that tony was obsessively searching and searching but was becoming a nuisance because he was bothering people. But what if the boy in the flats was Ollie? Tony finally found him, but by that point his obsession had driven him mad, it was too late and he was arrested. I loved the ending because I saw it in that way too. It may be far fetched, but I thought it was cleverly done.

I'll be continuing to watch series 1 today to search for Sophie Geroux clues 😁

[Manumission]

S1 isnt on either BBC iPlayer or Netflix Flib. So I bought it on DVD.

[Owllady]

I haven't seen the first series but my husband bought it me on DVD for my birthday. Do you think it's worth me watching it?

[HarryPottersMagicWand]

altik you have said a lot of what I think too.

I think we find out what happened between Sam and Matthew this week.