The Missing is back next week PART 2!

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Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

Oh that's a point re turtle story - birds feature again in it!

Plus, we are assuming the underground place with the butchers receipt is where the girls were actually held. But it could be part of the set up. The girl that took them there is the girl we see alive and well in Varen 18 months or so later. The girl who had appendicitis and had a child.
We still assume this girl is Sophie.

What if he girl is actually Lena? What if she threw her own glasses in the fire to cover her identity? I have no idea why she'd do this or why I think this but it's an angle we haven't considered.

I realise though the girl who returned and threw the glasses in the fire looks like the one front right on the photo who is not identifies as Alice or Lena - but that doesn't mean it's Sophie!

"To lose somebody can destroy a person. But to find them again, when so much has passed... Well. Sometimes... that can be worse."

That was the tagline used at end of first series to introduce the second - any ideas?

A few random musing re things said over the last few days:
Gemma's feeling that Alice wasn't the girl who came back was confirmed by the rollercoaster photo but despite the DNA claim after the fire she didn't believe it - that's why she looked through 1000s of photos.
Baptiste believes returned girl is Sophie - that's good enough for me (plus Lena doesn't have the very fair skin - hence the speculation that she might be the Iraqi girl).
The Iraqi girl was killed, three people were involved - we know the brig was one and assume Reed was (but I think he wasn't I think he was appalled by is colleagues actions and started paying the family who assume he was involved and I paying through guilt.)
Eve might not be the obvious choice for a surrogate but it was her sister she did it for so in that respect she would be an obvious candidate.
I think the quote given by youarenotkidfingme relates to the Websters being pretty together prior to the return of "Alice" but when we see them in 2016 they are broken.

I think the girl is Sophie - because of the finger twitching, because she speaks French and English (Lena is German so unlikely to speak either like a native - the girl who came back sounded English but also speaks French) and because of the photos on the rollercoaster.

we know the brig was one and assume Reed was - Henry Reed is what takes Julien to Iraq in the first place, Henry Reed's payments are what leads him to the girl's brother and finding out about the girl's death. I think Henry Reed was involved in whatever happened in Iraq - we still don't know exactly what it was, my DH watched the episode and assumed she had somehow been caught in the crossfire or killed by accident. Whatever involvement he had with the girls in Germany (and he must have had some otherwise how would Sophie who was abducted in France have known who he was) Sophie felt enough for him to want to leave flowers on his grave.

I cant remember the timeline of events but could sophie have been held captive in reeds house, could she have shot him then escaped? The underground place could have been somewhere she was held previously.

Lillian we know Henry Reed was involved in someway in Iraq but Baptistes questioning of the brig doesn't imply an accident it was an accusation of a deliberate act. I don't feel Reed is going to turn out to be directly involved in what happened to the Iraqi girl - I think her family assume his guilt because of the payments but I think he has been horrified by what happened but can't report it as someone (probably the brig) knows about his liking for trans women and is threatening to expose him if he don't keep quiet. I think he was eventual killed because he wasn't prepared to keep quiet any longer. I think he was going to go public with his "relationship" with Ilse so he could no longer be blackmailed so someone killed him to shut him up.

Reed's son a fellow soldier is unlikely to have been sickened by an accidental death in a war - he might be saddened by it but is she was caught in cross fire or something similar it be unlikely to make a soldier familiar with war hate his dad.

When Lovely Policeman went to Driller's house, Driller said 'don't mind the mess. I'm getting ready to retire.' Seemed a weird excuse for mess, also appeared to be lying. Why did he have the drill to hand? What was he doing with it before Lovely got there?

Apart from murdering lovely policemen.

Yes, sinister DIY.

Hmm. If he was getting ready to do a flit, why the need for a drill?

if he was retiring he would also be getting ready to move, he would have to move off the base.

Grumblebumble good points. So everyone has a secret - Reed was keeping secret what happened in Iraq so no one would reveal his secret about Ilse. Was Brig keeping quiet about missing girls so Drilla would keep quiet about what happened in Iraq? How did Sophie know Reed well enough to want to take flowers to his grave?

I did not like the continuity error over the pegging of the clothes - not the way Sam hung them up but the fact that items were in the wrong order and one top was shown hung up in two different ways.

That aside I thought it was an excellent episode.

Have you noticed that in series 1 (Ian ? the peadophile) and this one the baddies have been Scottish?

I'm still puzzled by the flowers at the grave unless that was cover to meet someone there or dig up a recently buried body to place in the fire - unlikely in the middle of the day though.

In the care home Baptiste gets told he's needed at the police station but I don't think we see him again in 2016 do we? And do you think the nurse @ the care home could be the Iraqi girl? I don't think they say she was killed do they just that something awful happened to her.

I also think it's significant that the Brig buys 2 of everything.

lizzie I think Baptiste says "I know you killed that girl" when he is questioning the Brig in the carehome and her brother said something like "what does he (Reed) think his money will do bring her back to life?"

Oh of course yes, thanks. 2 references to her death so we can stop 'looking' for her then.

Why did he have the drill to hand?

If DH would get round to putting up the shelves he has been promising me for 2 years, I'd happily overlook the odd bit of cop-drilling.

could sophie have been held captive in reeds house, could she have shot him then escaped?
Could explain why she put flowers on his grave.

Do you think the DIY project was dismantling some sort of cage?

Not sure how Daniel wouldn't know she was there but having said that there are real world examples of people being held hostage in a secret basement without family/visitors knowing.

I still think Henry is a goodie

Shiny

Kim Oh of course. Doesn't quite explain the handy drill but maybe that was just one of those things that won't have a reason. Like the writers just thought a drill to the head would be a good 😱 moment so there it was.

They'd hardly have been brought out to the fun fair (local?) from the base , would they?

Something's been worrying me about Henry Reed's death - which we now know is murder and not suicide.

Lovely Policeman was reading the file and told Baptiste summat like 'the post mortem (or inquest) agreed with Sgt Stone's finding' that it was suicide. This means that she must've been the investigating officer.

What puzzles me is, look at the position of Henry Reed's body at the time of death. How could he have shot himself in the mouth and landed in that position? He was at the bottom of the stairs when he was shot, and from the blood stains on the floor around his head it looks like he was lying down at the time. Is it usual for someone to shoot themselves in the mouth whilst lying on the floor? Why would the investigating officer Sgt Stone - not question this?

Now we know he was murdered, because of Ilsa saying about his car, does this point to a cover-up by Eve? And would it be because someone close to her had committed the murder, Brig for example?

Also, the actor who is playing Henry is far too well established to just be cast as 'body on floor'. There must be a significant strand to the story involving him deeply.

And, we only have Lovely Policeman's word that the flowers were on Henry's grave, he could have moved them from someone else's (don't have a clue why and couldn't imagine him being anything other than sweet and a bit naive (turning back on potential murderer as a pp said), with a major crush on Eve for a few years.)

Are we all going to cry a bit when we hear the song? I'm sure I will

And who was Brig talking about to Sam in ep4, when he found the scan pics - when he said 'she always wanted a family, it hit her hard'. Eve said in ep5 'I never wanted a family'.?

God, can you imagine if the girls were kept right there on the base all those years...

Maybe that is the bird reference - they could see daylight but were caged and couldn't escape, right under their parents' noses.
Did someone say about Driller Killer's house being next door to Henry's? - Maybe they had an interconnecting tunnel. Ok, I think I'm overthinking this now...............

Moonface, that was me......I thought they might have had adjoining houses (and basements).......but I'm probably imaging this (like lots of things in this series )