The Missing is back next week PART 2!

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Thread one here

So, Sophie Giroux returned pretending to be Alice Webster. DNA results on the body in the shed confirm she is related to Sam.

Baptiste has found out about Henry Reed and the Brigadier being involved with a 9 year old girl in Iraq in 1991. Henry Reed was paying this girls brother.

There are 3 girls in the rollercoaster photo, Sophie, Alice and possibly the girl from Iraq? She has that colouring.

Henry Reed apparently committed suicide although Julien told Daniel he didn't. Whatever Daniel found out about him made him sick.

Nadia has been badly beaten and her husband is still in prison after being identified by Sophie/Alice. Matthew was made to promise to say sorry to the butcher.

Sophie is now in Switzerland. As is the newly spray painted yellow campervan that abducted Alice. Gemma and Baptiste doubt the DNA results as they are still looking for answers 2 years after she returned.

Birds keep being mentioned. Sophie and Alice both had the Web tattoo on their wrists.

Isn't Baptiste in Iraq when Jorn gets Black and Deckered?

Was thinking about this again. The '3' involved I don't think can be DK/Sam/Brig as Brig/Sam seemed to genuinely not know much about DK when he was press officer. If they were all in cahoots surely there would be some sideways glances/dodgy convos?

No Baptiste has come back and questioned the Brig at the nursing home.

Baptiste collapses in the car in 2014 (start of his tumuor); Jorn gets drilled in 2016, after Gemma finds the rolercoaster pic..

OK finally caught up with and with some of what people's thoughts are. I cannot watch this without thinking of all the red herrings know s1 so think a lot of people's theories will come to nothing and it will be a far simpler explanation. On that basis I think the Iraq 3 are brig killer driller and reed. I think they did something horrible to the little girl not sure if it was intentional I am sure Iraq was a messed up place to be at that time and people can do things they would never normally do when in those situations. I think reed felt enormous guilt so is supporting (paying off) family. I think brig buried it completely and I think killer driller got a taste for it and carried on when back in Germany. I honestly think that is where Brigs involvement ends and there is nothing more to it with him. Reed is more tricky did he find out what driller was up to? Try to stop him? Try to help the girls? Which ended up in his murder and Sophie laying flowers on his grave?
I think Alice is the body in the shed that was planted there. I think Sophie is in Switzerland and is now deeply emotionally involved with driller I think the little girl is hers. I am unsure where lena fits into things and why she was taken there is obviously more to come on her story.
I don't think Sam was have any affairs before eve and I think that affair only started after fire in shed and her giving up baby.
I still have lots of questions where does aldi and butcher fit in? What does baptiste think? Why does he and Gemma think alice is still alive? Why does Sophie appear to be only girl left? What made her so special in driller killers eyes?

I think you may be right Dulra. There were so many red herrings in series 1 and the ending had nothing to do with anything that had happened throughout the series! I would like to believe Alice is still alive. I'm an eternal optimist!

Pfft all the furore over the drill bit, barely saw anything! Interesting development though, is him retiring going over to live with Switz girl? And who was the foot in the fireplace? With the melted glasses ...

Someone said up thread about hoping fit policeman left a note - he definitely wrote a word (name?) and a phone number on. A post it note and put on desk. Surely they will check internet history too?!

I miss him

"I honestly think that is where Brigs involvement ends and there is nothing more to it with him"

I'd think that except wasn't there an odd conversation between Sophie and the Brig when they were sat outside on the bench...? Something about his guilt? I guess she could have been talking about Iraq, but how would she know...?

Just to continue the name thing:

Hausler (Isla's original surname) - 'cottager', that is, one who lives in a cottage. But does it also, here, refer to 'cottaging'? (I know Transgender people are not gay, but the link came to my mind so I thought I'd share it.)

(Wolfgang is a common name, but means 'wolf journey' - links in to the animal theme of 'Lenhart')

Gettrick - 'Son of true victory' - hmmm

Seeing Lenhart's demise in the last episode, I suppose he did need the heart of a lion at the end.

This thread is fascinating!

I have been hooked on this show from the beginning. I have a couple of thoughts, in no real order, still very confused!

I don't think the young girl in Iraq was abused, I think she was maybe shot, killed or injured by accident, and one of the army guys was to blame.

I think the little girl is the daughter of Sophie/Alice. S/A has quite an upturned top lip, and so does the little girl.

I couldn't see the foot in the fire, but my DD saw it straight away. So many people think they saw a foot, that there must be something to it. It's a very small fireplace to burn a whole body though.

Can't believe the man in Iraq is Gary from Only Fools and Horses. DH said at the time, that he looked like him, but we laughed at him. Obviously we were wrong!

I knew I had seen Ilse in something else, she was in Deutschland 83.

I'm starting to think that Eve's father may not be as bad as previously thought, unless I've forgotten something important. As the show goes on, he seems to be portrayed in a kinder light. This is why I think the girl in Iraq was accidentally hurt or killed, by him, and that is what Alice/Sophie was referring to, but perhaps he isn't involved in the taking of the girls.

I've been watching this thread and the TV series avidly. Just had a random Friday afternoon thought - Alice may not be one of the victims at all in 2014 and 2016. It could all be a smokescreen.

Right, I'm in the process of watching it again.

First thought - assuming for a moment it is Alice who came back, we only have Alice's word for it that the kidnapper also took Sophie. I wonder whether mentioning Sophie to the police was just to frame the butcher for more.

In the first episode it does look as though she bunked off school to meet someone. I wonder if she had gone off with DK 'voluntarily' after he groomed her.

But Baptiste does say that there was a yellow van seen at the time of Sophie's abduction, so that doesn't quite tie together.

Almost nothing to do with it at all, but is Eve's dad (brig) living on his own or in a care home? Sam had to go and look after him when Eve was busy and it looked like Brig lived alone but had carers. In Ep 5 it looked as if he was in a care home as there were nurses/other people around. Sorry, nothing to do with 'the case' but it is bugging me.

When German PC was in house with Driller Killer and saw the little girl, did he not say 'I didn't know you had children' and DK said 'just looking after her, I don't live with her mother' (I paraphrase). Or have I just made that up (might need to go and rewatch last five minutes?

Eh? Yes Eve's current pregnancy is of big significance as they were having an affair and had ended it.

"as they were having an affair and had ended it"

I meant more in terms of who is or isn't biologically related to whom.

I just think that there's so much going on that ended affair but whoops pregnant is a bit soapy.

Furrylipped squid the brig had been living on his own but was being moved into the care home in episode 5.

Altik that conversation does potentially discredit my theory but she could well have been referring to what happened in Iraq.

Henry Reed was in Iraq with Brig and the 9 year old girl. The girl's brother confirmed that. It's the third person we don't know the identity of.

Also Dabiel said when he found out what his father was sending money to Iraq for, it disgusted him. So that wasn't referring to him going to a prostitute who is transsexual. And would he even know Ilsa is trans? She said no one had called her by her previous male name for 11 years. I don't think the money was for that anyway.

I do think Ilsa holds some answers or clues though. Her looking quickly at her wrist* was odd and as a pp said, she said she hadn't been Wolfgang for 11 years. That's how long ago the girls were taken wasn't it?

*re Ilsa's wrist. Could her chunky bracelet be covering another web tattoo?

Sophie/Alice obviously knew or knows the Brig because when he went out into her garden when she was out there sat on the bench, she asked him how he could live with himself - or something like that.

I remember all the red herrings from the last series so I'm sure we're all completely over-thinking it all!

Maybe Sophie/Alice is talking about the Brig framing Aldi's DH (the butcher), rather than anything more sinister though?

What was the 'Alice' Brig conversation about the turtle and the stick about? And what at all about?

Because she did ask how he could live with himself.

Warning her to keep her mouth shut? About holding on to those who are taking you to where you want to be?

www.talesofpanchatantra.com/the-turtle-that-fell-off-the-stick

Here's a version of the fable. It says it's "never fail to listen to the advice of friends."

Thanks Enid

"You must not speak"